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To: Sam who wrote (3281)	12/2/2008 3:02:55 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86352

You take a simplistic straw man, knock it down as simplistic, and then say that something is wrong with climate change. At bottom, AGW is simplistic. And if it can't survive being looked at, go ahead and call it a straw man. Realclimate.org is a propaganda site run by PR firm Fenton Communications. What you find there is not science. fenton.com No one is saying that runaway climate change will happen now, although some people are saying that it is possible. Well, lets see. You posted earlier that increasing temperatures led to CO2 increases. And you believe that CO2 increases will lead to temperature increases. Those two things are all you need to forecast runaway global warming. Of course it's possible--what do you think has happened on Venus? Not AGW. LOL there are other factors besides CO2 that affect climate. Yes. Other factors more significant than CO2. The reason to focus on CO2 now is that CO2 is the factor that is being added to the mix. The only real question is one about climate sensitivity to CO2--what will the added CO2 do to climate? You claim that it won't do anything I don't really know what the impact of co2 is. Neither does anyone else. I only know the observations we have of CO2 changes and temperature. And those don't lead to a belief we're facing an imminent catastrophe. Which is what you believe. and say that CO2 has been much higher in the past. And proponents agree with that, but add--yes, but the temperature was much higher when it was. And we don't know if the temperature 50M ya was higher because of the higher CO2 or vice versa. (like CO2 being washed out of the atmosphere by rain, CO2 isn't washed out by rain. or plants and the oceans acting as CO2 sinks) that manage keep that cycle from becoming a runaway cycle. And may continue to do so.