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To: Sam who wrote (3302)	12/2/2008 8:58:39 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 86352

Things are always changing and people can pick out this or that change and say of it, that its a sign of some new change. Now they say, Arctic ice is melting, while Antarctic ice is growing. Antarctic ice is growing on the east side. A part of the reason for that is that precipitation is falling there that used to fall in Australia. It is warming in Antarctica too, but not enough to turn that precipitation into rain. It isn't just one thing or another--it is a confluence of things. Not just ice melting, but more extreme weather events, bird migration patterns changing, plant habitats moving, earlier snow melting in mountains, more evaporation from dams, more droughts and desertification--yeah, I know, all of these things are just coincidences, have nothing to do with any warming--it's all just a coincidence that they are all consistent with it. They are all chosen to be consistent with the thesis. Is growing Antarctic ice consistent with AGW. No, not really. But you can just claim the Antarctic ice is just displaced precipitation from Australia ..... naturally lets assume its displaced because of manmade CO2 ..... You forgot to include more hurricanes. See you don't have to claim just droughts as proof of AGW, storms can be that too. And floods. And more: Say Hello to Poison Ivy You’re gonna need an ocean of calamine lotion. Increased CO2 levels cause poison ivy and other weeds to grow “taller, lusher, and more resilient.” [LA Times] Say Hello to Bulgarian Hooker Shortages “Brothel owners in Bulgaria are blaming global warming for staff shortages. They claim their best girls are working in ski resorts because a lack of snow has forced tourists to seek other pleasures.” [Metro UK] .... Volcanoes Blow Their Tops British scientists warn of another possible side effect of climate change: A surge of dangerous volcanic eruptions. [ABC News Australia] More Hurricanes Over the past century, the number of hurricanes that strike each year has more than doubled. Scientists blame global warming and the rising temperature of the surface of the seas. [USA Today] More Floods During the summer of 2007, Britain suffered its worst flood in 60 years. Scientists point the finger directly at global warming, which changed precipitation patterns and is now causing more “intense rainstorms across parts of the northern hemisphere.” [Independent] americanprogress.org ------------------------------------ The issue today is the CO2 that we are putting into the atmosphere today, and whether or not that CO2 will affect (is already affecting) the climate. I say yes it is, you say no it's not. Sounds like a standoff. The only problem with that is that the evidence convinces most people today that my POV is right. First, truth is not obtained by vote. Second, there are signs opinion is changing. ------------------------------------------------------ I can tell from the way you write that I have read more than you have about this stuff. Doubtful, though you've read more realclimate, Al Gore type propaganda. ------------------------------------------------------ Seems to me you thought everything would be just swingingly wonderful in Iraq once Saddam was gone, didn't you? No, I didn't know for sure how things would work out. Only that Saddam would be gone. Though I did hope things would go well. And I'm glad they finally are going well. I suppose those are differences between us. Don't you ever suspect that perhaps you need to think about the world a little more rigorously? I could ask you the same thing, but I know the answer. You don't question the accepted "wisdom" of the left. Because of the self-image doing so gives you. You're part of the smart set, the intelligent thinking people, the compassionate, the caring, the virtuous ..... not like the benighted inflexible (christianist or free market worshipping) hate and fear filled troglodytes.