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To: NightOwl who wrote (14314)12/3/2008 3:20:03 PM
From: NightOwl  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 14464
 
This so called "inside" information is so hilarious I fear its just too much for a rational mind to contemplate.

Everything in it has been widely known since at least Y2K and anybody with a mail box is fully aware that the predation has continued unabated throughout this crisis. Moreover it is obvious that Bernanke and Paulson not only know of the problem in detail but are acting to back-stop the losses which are sure to come:
November 25, 2008, 9:00 am
The Worst Is Yet To Come: Anonymous Banker Weighs In On The Coming Credit Card Debacle
By Joe Nocera,
NYT

A few weeks ago, I published an e-mail message sent to me from an executive who works in the banking industry — and had become disgusted by what he sees all around him. This weekend, that same banker sent me another e-mail message, which he has also agree to let me publish. It’s another wake-up call. Too bad nobody is listening.

Today, we are bailing out the banks because of their greedy and deceptive lending practices in the mortgage industry. But this is just the tip of the iceberg. More is coming, I’m sorry to say. Layoffs are being announced nationwide in the tens of thousands. As people begin to lose their jobs, they will not be able to pay their credit card bills either. And the banks will be back for more handouts.

I received a catalog today from Casual Living and in big bold print on the front page, it said “BUY NOW, PAY NOTHING”. Then in significantly smaller print underneath, it said, (until April). That mantra has been sung throughout the credit markets over the last 10 years. The banks waive a carrot in front of the consumer and reel them in and encourage them to go deeper and deeper into debt. They do this by prescreening customers through credit reporting agencies, mailing offers to apply, and to transfer balances at teaser rates or zero percent financing. They base it on credit score and not on capacity to repay. A good credit score does not equate to the ability to repay debt.

Over my career, I have seen thousands of consumers that have credit card lines in excess of their annual salaries. Some are sinking under their burden. Some have been fiscally responsible and have minimal amounts outstanding. My 21-year-old daughter, who’s in college, gets pre-approved offers all the time. She has no ability to repay debt, yet the offers flow in just the same. We all know how these lines are accumulated. The banks, in their infinite stupidity, keep upping credit lines because the customer pays the minimum payments on time. My daughter’s credit line started at $1,000 and has been increased over the last two years to $4,400. She has no increased earnings to support this. But the banks do it without asking. And without being asked. The banks reel in the consumer, charge interest rates higher than those charged by the mob, increase lines without the consumer asking and without their consent, and lure them into overextending. And we can count on the banks to act surprised when they aren’t paid back. Shame on them.

As a banker, let me describe what we do wrong when we accept and review an application for a credit card. First, we don’t verify income. The first ‘C’ of credit: Capacity to repay, is completely ignored by the banks, just as it was in when they approved subprime mortgages. Then we ask for “household income” — as if other parties in the household could be held responsible for that debt. They cannot. And since we don’t ask for any proof of income, the customer can throw out any number they think will work for them. Then we ask if they rent or own and how much they pay. If their name is not on the mortgage, they can state zero. If they pay $1,000 in rent, they can say $500. (Years ago we asked for a copy of the lease to verify this number.) And finally, we don’t ask how much of a credit line the consumer is looking for. The banker can’t even put that amount into the system. There isn’t any place on the application for that information. We simply put unverified information into a mindless computer and the computer gets the person’s credit score and grants them the biggest line that score and income (ha!) qualifies for.

I recently had a client apply for a credit card. She is a homemaker, with no personal income. The house she lives in is in her husband’s name. She would have asked for a $3,000 credit line, just to pay miscellaneous expenses and to establish some credit on her own. So the computer is told that her household income is $150,000; her mortgage/rent payment is zero. The fact is that her husband’s mortgage payment is $7,000 a month (which he got with a no income verification loan). She had a good credit score, but limited credit since she has only lived in this country for the last three years. The system gave her an approval for a $26,000 line of credit!

This has got to stop. People are going to be learning hard lessons over the next years. It would help, though, if the banks could change their behavior now, before things get any worse. Tomorrow is already too late.

In 2003, Congress passed the Fair and Accurate Credit Transactions Act of 2003. This law was implemented through regulations issued by the Federal Trade Commission in consultation with the federal banking and credit union agencies. It requires all credit card and insurance solicitations to include a disclosure for “prescreened offers.” We are all familiar with them. They are the dozens of credit card offers that are sent, unsolicited, to consumers, usually by mail. The law allows the consumer to opt out of receiving prescreened offers by calling an 800-number.

I think Congress did this backwards. Perhaps it could amend the law. The regulation should have required the consumer to opt in, if they so desire, instead of opting out. That would mean that no one would get an unsolicited credit card offer. If a consumer needs a credit card he or she could be given an option to call an 800-number to opt in. Or the consumer could go to their local bank and apply for a credit card in person. Or the consumer could go online and apply for a credit card. The consumer can also view all the best credit cards, nationally, at bankrate.com. Bankrate.com is an invaluable tool for consumers.

Some other benefits: (1) It would halt the message being sent that credit is free and perhaps limit irresponsible accumulation of credit lines. (2) It would force the banks to become more competitive in their rates. The consumer is going to need a break and they will need it soon. And credit card rates, which are quite often above 22 percent, is piracy. (3) Eliminating mass mailings would save a lot of trees.

I’ve been reviewing many of the banks annual reports over the last month and there is no question that the default rates are on the rise. If Congress doesn’t act today, the bankers will have their hats in their hand before we know it, and doing another a tap dance before the Senate Banking Committee, and asking to be bailed out once again with our tax dollars. Sad, but true.

executivesuite.blogs.nytimes.com

The question is... Why does the Fed/Treasury agree to back banks that continue to use these practices? They aren't required to do so. No Congressional action is required to implement such limits.

But then... I guess we already know the answer to that question too. Like Greenspan before them, they simply do not understand, have not been trained, and simply cannot believe that government regulation of the so called "free markets" is not only a "good" thing, but a necessary thing.

I hope everyone is paying attention to this insanity. If you can't see the problem here, you probably still think that the term "brainwash" can only be applied to the actions of communists and Wahhabi mullahs.

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To: NightOwl who wrote (14314)12/3/2008 7:11:55 PM
From: niceguy767  Respond to of 14464
 
One thing for sure: It is the CREDIT crisis that is the primary source of the problem that the world is now facing and the primary cause of so much angst for so many.

Too many individuals and corporations became way too leveraged over the past 50 years and, although an unfortunate outcome, this group of risk takers, (euphemistically speaking), need to be primarily held accountable for any monetary reparations that they receive in assistance. All the money being thrown at the credit problem needs to result in minimal REDISTRIBUTION of responsibility for this crisis. That means that any and all government funding needs to be collateralized by the assets that such funding is supporting. Certainly, to allow these RT’s (again euphemistically) to escape unscathed is an unsatisfactory, irresponsible even, knee jerk response.

Any major REDISTRIBUTION of responsibility to the general taxpayer is a cop out and, at best, in all likelihood, destined only to defer an even greater crisis in the not too distant while further diluting the N/American “util”.

Here is a current report card on how the crisis has evolved so far:

sfgate.com

Unfortunately, it looks like the taxpayer, not the RT, is currently being tagged with the major portion of the funding for the overleveraged to date.

Compounding the credit crisis that has evolved over the past 50 years is the reduction, or loss altogether, of our manufacturing infrastructure, our knowledge gap and our comparative ingenuity advantage that, in the past, has fuelled vibrant spin off economies by such innovations as the vehicle, the telephone and television, the airplane, quantum mechanics and most recently, the microchip. As each innovation and its corresponding spin off industries matured, the next innovation was there to take its place.

Unfortunately, what we have today is rampant credit issues compounded by a stagnant economy lacking in any apparent new innovative idea to tap into the economy now that the last innovation, the microchip, and its spin offs are approaching maturity on the N.American continent.

So yes, the REDISTRIBUTION of debt responsibility evidenced to date is shameful and the accompanying lack of co-ordinated planning in shovelling money at these overleveraged pikers is maddening.

If half the money that is so freely flowing to the RT pikers were re-directed to promising new economic advances, like alternative energies, it might provide the glimmer of hope needed to see us through what is becoming an unprecedented economic crisis in N.America. as graphically evidenced here:

dshort.com

The underlying problem to both the credit crisis and and the lack of an exciting new economic ideas is that immigrants coming to N.America are more than happy to carry out jobs at minimum wage that currently command much higher union wages (i.e. car industry)

I fear that either the unions give up a lot or the manufacturing base will move offshore.

It's all about basic values and now that the knowledge gap and creativity gaps have been bridged, it is a matter of time before N.American values/entitlement/wages thinking are realigned.