To: Bill who wrote (149639 ) 12/9/2008 6:57:11 PM From: Steve Dietrich 1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 173976 What you're doing is called arguing from ignorance. Even the White House accepts the NBER's legitimacy: foxbusiness.com White House spokesman Tony Fratto said in response to the announcement, “As we’ve always said, NBER determines the start and end dates of business cycles, and they’ve done that... Read, learn: nber.org Here's something for your fellow ignoramus JLA:The period from a peak to a trough is a recession and the period from a trough to a peak is an expansion. According to JLA we're at the tail end of a 17 year expansion. No one has ever heard of this 17 year expansion, but don't tell JLA, it will just make him sad. And something for you:In choosing the dates of business-cycle turning points, the committee follows standard procedures to assure continuity in the chronology. Because a recession influences the economy broadly and is not confined to one sector, the committee emphasizes economy-wide measures of economic activity. The committee views real GDP as the single best measure of aggregate economic activity. In determining whether a recession has occurred and in identifying the approximate dates of the peak and the trough, the committee therefore places considerable weight on the estimates of real GDP issued by the Bureau of Economic Analysis of the U.S. Department of Commerce. The traditional role of the committee is to maintain a monthly chronology, however, and the BEA's real GDP estimates are only available quarterly. For this reason, the committee refers to a variety of monthly indicators to determine the months of peaks and troughs. The committee places particular emphasis on two monthly measures of activity across the entire economy: (1) personal income less transfer payments, in real terms and (2) employment. In addition, the committee refers to two indicators with coverage primarily of manufacturing and goods: (3) industrial production and (4) the volume of sales of the manufacturing and wholesale-retail sectors adjusted for price changes. The committee also looks at monthly estimates of real GDP such as those prepared by Macroeconomic Advisers (see macroadvisers.com ). Although these indicators are the most important measures considered by the NBER in developing its business cycle chronology, there is no fixed rule about which other measures contribute information to the process. SD