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To: c.hinton who wrote (3023)	12/12/2008 1:20:35 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3816

First let me clarify "...the point is that YOU remained silent* about the original post,by DMAA, i believe ,on the grounds you like and respect him.* That may be YOUR point but it has never been MY point. THE topic is 'fear of strong women' not DMAA. I understand your point and always have. I do like and respect DMAA but that has not tainted my position on this topic. It would be the same whether or not he initiated the topic, and in fact I don't remember that he did, he merely added his comment to what was already being discussed. Second I have not remained silent. Silent!? Me, silent? pshaw >>> Some people FEAR strong women who are equal and complementary to strong men. Weak victim personalities bend to ball busters. Message 25210723 To align one self as lefty or righty is beneath the human dignity of fair and objective people. However, criticising that which identifies lefty characteristics or righty characteristics is almost always justified since each designation identifies the tendency to fixate on something out of balance. … I think there are some more layers to the Palin phenom that are worth digging through, and that it does have to do with FEAR of traditionally strong men and women vs their alternatives. Message 25212277 FEAR of a colored president comes from FEAR of a type or group that would dominate culture in a way that would be counter to or harmful to your type or group. It is generally an unfounded FEAR in America or at least it is founded in bigotry. FEAR of a strong traditional woman as leader is something entirely different. Since strong traditional women complement and strengthen strong traditional men, families, and communities the FEAR is from being excluded. The marriage issue is also founded in this FEAR. Message 25215068 The topic is strong women and what might be a cause for FEAR in some. There is no reason for men to FEAR strong women who are traditional as I have positioned the term. Strong traditional women complement strong traditional men, strengthen family, and contribute to communtity and visa versa. The alternative Non-traditional women are those seeking 'independence'. Independence in this context vaguely means separation from the traditional heterosexual roles where in heterosexual spouses complement and support each other. "come to dominate the culture in ways harmfull to mens interests." That may be your perception but it is a contradiction to say that traditional women dominate in ways harmful to the interests of men. Even in matriarcial traditional families, strong women push the men to be the best they can be. It is only the 'independent' types who don't mind climbing over the demolished bodies of men to get what they want. We had a good ole' boy system in the fifties where the most corrupt men could climb to the top of the corporate ladder, now we have the good mean girl system where we've paved a convenient path to that end for the equivalent corrupt females. Strong traditional men are not corrupt they are care taking and protective and they support their families while contributing to community. This is where the term machismo originated before it got a bad rap. Strong traditional females are nurturing and supportive while their form of protectiveness may across slightly different. I don't FEAR the corruptness of the good ole boy system or the new mean girl system ... except maybe the FEAR of getting sucked into being a part of one or the other. My point was that some people do FEAR strong traditional males and females because they feel excluded due to their choice to live alternative lifestyles of carnal materialism. Weaklings might support the good ole boy system maybe due to demographics, which they believe will result in being taken care of by the good ole boy system. This is a source of bigotry IMO. Likewise, weaklings may support the new mean girl system because they think it will take care of them. So they become tools of corruption no different than the weaklings supporting the good ole boy system. Message 25215927 In many individual circumstances, a lifestyle away from the traditional norm has a lot to offer and I can personally attest to that. I don't see any benefit in turning this topic into personal confessions or self-disclosure, and I find it odd that you keep pushing for that. We were not discussing or comparing every alternative life style and circumstance. We should not need to quible over what qualifies as traditional, as the way I couched the term is adequate with out being to restrictive. Like wise the term normal should not have to be qualified. But if you need some reference to my thinking, it is someone (most people) who considers an issue without being effected by mental illness, has lived a commonly relevant life and so is a person who is able to think things through using common references, and who is employing reason with an IQ in the normal range. We were discussing why some people FEAR strong women, where that FEAR comes from and how it is manifest. I offered some insight but I personally don't FEAR women at all, any of them, I adore them ... mostly from afar. I don't think other people should FEAR strong women either but I can see how they fall into it. I am not sure what your contention is with the way I laid that out. Rather than discuss the premise I proposed, you keep refering to what you think is my ulterior disposition ... frankly, I find that odd/interesting which is OK but it is also irrelevant which is a distraction. Message 25234573 think it is more complicated and so I have attempted to qualify the conditions under which FEAR may be a factor for some people. I figured you'd take some time to consider the treatment I offered but I may have over shot. Message 25235463 I remember going from the initiation of the topic on to expand the notion so we could explore 'FEAR of strong women' and how it may or may not be a factor for some people in making choices. Message 25248237