Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : Politics of Energy -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (3444)	12/13/2008 8:21:02 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86355

What's funny is that this year is actually a record setter if you look at longer term trends, and yet, you and the media are saying it's a cold year. Very good example of how the human mind anchors on short term experiences by which to judge the present. Understandable, but not very relevant from a statistical or scientific perspective. Kudos for recognizing that anecdotal evidence isn't very relevant. However, your hint of sarcasm and the fact that you made such a silly post suggests that you still don't believe that the globe is warming, which is a testament to your illogical mind. The evidence is irrefutable that the globe is warming. We can debate the causes, but to continue to deny the earth is warming is just plain ignorant. World heading towards cooler 2008 By Richard Black Environment correspondent, BBC News website news.bbc.co.uk The early part of 2008 saw continued low temperatures in some regions This year appears set to be the coolest globally this century. Data from the UK Met Office shows that temperatures in the first half of the year have been more than 0.1 Celsius cooler than any year since 2000. The principal reason is La Nina, part of the natural cycle that also includes El Nino, which cools the globe. Even so, 2008 is set to be about the 10th warmest year since 1850, and Met Office scientists say temperatures will rise again as La Nina conditions ease. TEMPERATURES - KEY FACTS Temperatures given as variations from 1961-1990 average Warmest on record - 1998 - +0.515C Coldest on record - 1862 - -0.616C From 2001 to 2007, varied between +0.400 and +0.479C 2008 January to June - +0.281C Data from Hadley Centre "The big thing that's been happening this year is La Nina, which has lowered global temperatures somewhat," said John Kennedy, climate monitoring and research scientist at the Met Office's Hadley Centre. "La Nina has faded in the last couple of months and now we have neutral conditions in the Pacific," he told BBC News. Scientists at the World Meteorological Organization have also suggested that 2008 will turn out to be cooler than the last few years. Breaking the ice La Nina cools waters in the eastern Pacific Ocean, but its effects are felt around the globe. It is one of a number of natural climatic cycles that can re-inforce or counteract the warming trend stemming from increased levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. LA NINA EXPLAINED La Nina 2008 Forecast (Source: UK Met Office Hadley Centre) La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl" Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific Increased sea temperatures in the western Pacific mean the atmosphere has more energy, and frequency of heavy rain and thunderstorms is increased Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event than the stronger El Nino More on La Nina and El Nino Earlier this year, one group of researchers suggested that another natural cycle, the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, was likely to hold temperatures steady for about the next decade, before reversing direction and allowing a renewed warming. "The principal thing is to look at the long-term trend," said Dr Kennedy. "2008 will still be significantly above the long-term average. There's been a strong upward trend in the last few decades, and that's the thing to focus on." One of the starkest effects of rising temperatures has been the rapid loss of summer Arctic sea ice, which has accelerated since the year 2000. Earlier in the year, there were indications that 2008 could see even more ice lost than in the record-breaking melt of 2007. Currently, the ice appears to be holding together better than a year ago, although scientists are wary as much of it is relatively fragile ice that formed in a single winter. Canadian authorities have just declared that the Northwest Passage is "navigable", though acknowledging that some parts of it still contain floating ice.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (3444)	12/15/2008 1:46:21 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86355

Now I realize that a single anomalous event doesn't spell proof or disproof of an environmental theory, unlike the raving lunatic anthropogenic global warming (AGW) Chicken Little's on the Left, but I find it intriguing that in this coldest year in a decade we in Houston have just experienced our earliest snowfall since 1944...that's longer than I've been alive. good idea, Brumar, make up something that people you want to ridicule say, and then say you wouldn't stoop to say such a thing, and then say it. What a brain you have, should be pickled and preserved next to Einstein's. You are a Frank Luntz wannabe. Few things more pathetic. Although Luntz later tried to distance himself from the Bush administration policy, it was his idea that administration communications reframe "global warming" as "climate change" since "climate change" was thought to be less alarmist. Luntz has since said that he is not responsible for what the administration has done since that time. Though he now believes humans have contributed to global warming, he maintains that the science was in fact incomplete, and his recommendation sound, at the time he made it.[6] In a 2002 memo to President George W. Bush titled "The Environment: A Cleaner, Safer, Healthier America", obtained by the Environmental Working Group, Luntz wrote: "The scientific debate is closing [against us] but not yet closed. There is still a window of opportunity to challenge the science...Voters believe that there is no consensus about global warming within the scientific community. Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue in the debate, and defer to scientists and other experts in the field."[7] en.wikipedia.org Memo to Brumar: Even Luntz knows now that the science has closed against the position you want to hold.