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Pastimes : Don't Ask Rambi -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: koan who wrote (69704)	12/16/2008 2:56:46 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

I just answered you over there, but will copy it since anything goes here. First... I know I am on a fools errand taking you, zeta and choose on all at the same time-lol. But you do it so cheerfully and with such openness, that it's fun! Are you saying Gwen should not have left Arthur for Lancelot? No I am saying she SHOULD have left him. :) She didn't. She cheated first- at least in the story I am thinking of, which is probably based more on the musical than any literary readings. There are lots of variations on the story, but she did have a choice- To not let her feelings for Lance blossom when she first realized it, to not act on them, or to go to Arthur and 'fess up. (Off with her head?) It's hard to really discuss this using present day values. As you say, women had very limited options for most of history. I've been reading a lot of Elizabethan history lately. Women were chattel, weapons, political boardpieces. We were possessions until very recently. We are no longer (although there are some men who still have some ideas that we should remain in our place!). Often women were forced into unions or raped, and yet blame still fell on them if discovered. But using today's standards for poor Gwen, honor would mean not choosing to break the trust of her marriage. "Honor wears different coats to different eyes"-- Barbara Tuchman in The Guns of August. Since in America, we don't yet accept sex and affairs with the same sangfroid as Europeans, we still have to accept the consequences. Clinton broke a certain trust he had with the American people. How could we continue to respect a man in office who had so little respect for that office that he would cheat in it with an intern and a cigar? Trashy. Impeachment was ridiculous, but loss of respect for him as a person he should have expected.