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To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (172025)	12/17/2008 1:45:56 PM
From: Tommaso	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

>>>Someone once told me that the education at those U's wasn't any better than at other colleges. <<< That's nothing. Somebody told ME that at all those Ivy League schools what really happens is they give everyone so much money that they just bribe their way through life, for the rest of their lives. Some day this will all be known and told.

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (172025)	12/17/2008 2:01:04 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

Someone once told me that the education at those U's wasn't any better than at other colleges. I went to a small private college (you haven't heard of it!), and then grad school at the top ranked (for that year anyway, these things dither a bit) university in the USA for my field (electrical engineering). FWIW, my undergrad education was of higher quality than my graduate education, because more was expected of us, and the grades reflected that. Despite the fact that none of my teachers there ever came close to a Nobel, and our labs were furnished quite sparsely. In grad school, my peers were definitely all from the top of their undergrad classes, the teachers were renowned experts in their fields, and the lab equipment was excellent, but there was a pervasive attitude that since we were all so smart, we all deserved A's. It appeared to me that this same general grade inflation was equally well entrenched in the undergrad program at the snob university. In America you can get an excellent education by combining good study habits with the dedicated "no-name" teachers you find at many "no-name" colleges across this land. Having said that, the snob-university degree landed me an excellent job, with a company that largely recruited from the top snob-universities of the land. Further, I attended the snob-university courtesy of a full scholarship from GE. So I definitely owe them a debt for the impact they had on my life, and I donate every year to both the no-name undergrad college, and the snob-university. I just feel better about the money going to the no-name college. I know it is wisely used there.

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (172025)	12/18/2008 2:13:02 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

That is not entirely true -- Harvard and those like Harvard attract the best and the brightest and then mix in the all too often dumber and lazier sons and daughters of the wealthy, powerful and generally undeserving -- the ultimate entitlement program. The entitled go on to perpetuate their power and wealth by using it the way their parents used it to get them into the game. And they feed off of the best and the brightest who tolerate but do not respect the entitled ones. This time around we did something weird -- we elected somebody who graduated from Harvard who got where he is by his brains and hard work -- and he will run into stiff opposition from those whose entitlements may be worth less as a result of his earning his success.