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To: RMF who wrote (30566)12/20/2008 5:40:11 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71588
 
"Weapons of Mass Financial Destruction", to use the description of Buffett.

Particularly when they are totally unregulated and non-transparent to the financial markets, and when traded private party to private party with no standardization and no third party independent guarantor (such as stands behind all settlements in the commodity and stock markets).

When 'counter-party risk' is allowed to grow in the dark like mushrooms --- expanding into, literally, TENS of TRILLIONS of notional value... between institutions all deemed "too big to be allowed to fail", then the SYSTEMIC RISK as we are all seeing with our own eyes is of such a magnitude that the entire globe's financial system can be torched.

This leads to the worst of all systems: so-called "private" profits (during boom cycles) followed by "socialized losses" passed on to the taxpayers (when bubbles inevitably pop)... the taxpayers getting all the downsides, and very little of the upside from the manic phases.



To: RMF who wrote (30566)12/20/2008 7:53:07 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71588
 
Op-Ed Columnist: The Madoff Economy

December 19, 2008
By PAUL KRUGMAN
nytimes.com

The revelation that Bernard Madoff — brilliant investor (or so almost everyone thought), philanthropist, pillar of the community — was a phony has shocked the world, and understandably so. The scale of his alleged $50 billion Ponzi scheme is hard to comprehend.

Yet surely I’m not the only person to ask the obvious question: How different, really, is Mr. Madoff’s tale from the story of the investment industry as a whole?

The financial services industry has claimed an ever-growing share of the nation’s income over the past generation, making the people who run the industry incredibly rich. Yet, at this point, it looks as if much of the industry has been destroying value, not creating it. And it’s not just a matter of money: the vast riches achieved by those who managed other people’s money have had a corrupting effect on our society as a whole.

Let’s start with those paychecks. Last year, the average salary of employees in “securities, commodity contracts, and investments” was more than four times the average salary in the rest of the economy. Earning a million dollars was nothing special, and even incomes of $20 million or more were fairly common. The incomes of the richest Americans have exploded over the past generation, even as wages of ordinary workers have stagnated; high pay on Wall Street was a major cause of that divergence.

But surely those financial superstars must have been earning their millions, right? No, not necessarily. The pay system on Wall Street lavishly rewards the appearance of profit, even if that appearance later turns out to have been an illusion.

Consider the hypothetical example of a money manager who leverages up his clients’ money with lots of debt, then invests the bulked-up total in high-yielding but risky assets, such as dubious mortgage-backed securities. For a while — say, as long as a housing bubble continues to inflate — he (it’s almost always a he) will make big profits and receive big bonuses. Then, when the bubble bursts and his investments turn into toxic waste, his investors will lose big — but he’ll keep those bonuses.

O.K., maybe my example wasn’t hypothetical after all.

So, how different is what Wall Street in general did from the Madoff affair? Well, Mr. Madoff allegedly skipped a few steps, simply stealing his clients’ money rather than collecting big fees while exposing investors to risks they didn’t understand. And while Mr. Madoff was apparently a self-conscious fraud, many people on Wall Street believed their own hype. Still, the end result was the same (except for the house arrest): the money managers got rich; the investors saw their money disappear.

We’re talking about a lot of money here. In recent years the finance sector accounted for 8 percent of America’s G.D.P., up from less than 5 percent a generation earlier. If that extra 3 percent was money for nothing — and it probably was — we’re talking about $400 billion a year in waste, fraud and abuse.

But the costs of America’s Ponzi era surely went beyond the direct waste of dollars and cents.

At the crudest level, Wall Street’s ill-gotten gains corrupted and continue to corrupt politics, in a nicely bipartisan way. From Bush administration officials like Christopher Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, who looked the other way as evidence of financial fraud mounted, to Democrats who still haven’t closed the outrageous tax loophole that benefits executives at hedge funds and private equity firms (hello, Senator Schumer), politicians have walked when money talked.

Meanwhile, how much has our nation’s future been damaged by the magnetic pull of quick personal wealth, which for years has drawn many of our best and brightest young people into investment banking, at the expense of science, public service and just about everything else?

Most of all, the vast riches being earned — or maybe that should be “earned” — in our bloated financial industry undermined our sense of reality and degraded our judgment.

Think of the way almost everyone important missed the warning signs of an impending crisis. How was that possible? How, for example, could Alan Greenspan have declared, just a few years ago, that “the financial system as a whole has become more resilient” — thanks to derivatives, no less? The answer, I believe, is that there’s an innate tendency on the part of even the elite to idolize men who are making a lot of money, and assume that they know what they’re doing.

After all, that’s why so many people trusted Mr. Madoff.

Now, as we survey the wreckage and try to understand how things can have gone so wrong, so fast, the answer is actually quite simple: What we’re looking at now are the consequences of a world gone Madoff.

Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company



To: RMF who wrote (30566)12/21/2008 6:16:28 PM
From: Peter Dierks  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71588
 
So lack of government oversight of a morally bankrupt system that failed to the tune of over a trillion dollars of new government debt had nothing to do with the problem?

If reasonable accounting standards in businesses with and without (previously only) implied government liability would have had not effect on the problem? You may never have complained about Enron or Global Crossing, LEhman Brothers, or any of the other scandalously bad accounting frauds, but most on your side have been selecting in their criticism.

According to your logic, Madoff was just a casualty of derivatives. Lack of regulation had nothing to do with it.

Oops you contradicted your own logic in the same post:
"Why do you think AIG seems to be a "blackhole" that the FED needs to keep pumping money into? "

Because it failed in a major way, and the way it was taken over caused additional liabilities.

You guys get so hooked up on the Fannie and Freddie thing that you miss EVERYTHING else. They've given you Fannie and Freddie as ONE tree so you won't bother to look at the WHOLE forest.

You lefties are so hung up on clawing back executive pay unless it was a crook like Obama's buddy (now just a guy in the neighborhood) Franklin Raines, or the woman who may bear responsibility more than anyone except Clinton for 911, Jaime Gorelick. How many lefties have called for the fraudulent payouts ot Fannie and Freddie executives to be returned?

There is a huge difference, executives of independent publicly traded companies had to get approval of stockholders who willingly granted them the pay and are responsible for the costs while the democrats Fannie and Freddie stole directly from the treasury.



To: RMF who wrote (30566)12/22/2008 1:48:35 PM
From: TimF1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71588
 
You guys get so hooked up on the Fannie and Freddie thing that you miss EVERYTHING else.

And you seem to look at the one tree of credit default swaps and mostly ignore everything else.

Also CDSs aren't a political innovation. They don't "belong" to conservatives or liberals. Fannie and Freddie, the CRA and expansion, and political pressure and lawsuits based on it are all connected to Democrats as was Clinton's change from a once in a lifetime deduction of capital gains from houses to an every two year exemption.

Other factors that aren't particularly associated with Democrats, include the fed's monetary policy, and the fact that capital requirements where set up so as to encourage securitizatation of mortgages and discourages holding mortgages as a normal non-securitized loan.

"It all comes down to derivatives", is overly simplistic.