To: michael97123 who wrote (443266 ) 12/30/2008 12:40:05 PM From: i-node Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575740 The bigger failure of bush was the way the war was fought. What would have happened if powell or gates ran DOD, not rummy? I agree with the rest of your post. But this one line is, to me, an interesting thing. I agree that Rumsfeld made some serious errors along the way and that my trust in him, as well as Bush's, was a mistake. But Bush deserves some credit for having the willingness to stay when the pressure was immense to bail out -- notably, from the current president/vp elect -- one of whom wanted to admit defeat by walking away, which would have been an absolute disaster, while the other wanted partition the country which would have been the WORST possible scenario -- worse even than walking away. Bush can be bashed for his loyalty to Rumsfeld. But you absolutely have to give him credit for winning the war instead of walking away a loser the way the Left wanted it, which would have been a huge disaster. There is now a very real likelihood that the war will have been won leaving in place an ally and a democracy. And it may well be the ally that changes the balance of power in the region. It is not a small success. There may yet be challenges. We will likely go through a time where Iran is trying to reassert itself in the region and Iraqis will be called upon to defend their sovereignty (without us to help). But the more moderate influence we have in that region the more likely we are to head off a bigger terrorist attack involving nuclear, dirty nuke, or biological/chemical attack. And the man has to receive credit, ultimately, for this huge accomplishment. I don't expect the extreme Left to ever admit Bush's success. But people who aren't ideologically consumed will ultimately come to this conclusion.