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To: koan who wrote (69955)	1/20/2009 7:35:47 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

I'm not engaging in revisionist history. Every part of my post was both true, and is an accepted (if not widely known) part of history. As for "I am sure you are very aware that it was liberals versus conservatives, not necessarily Democrats versus Republicans." 1 - That comment isn't relevant to your revisionist history charge. 2 - It certainly wasn't Democrats vs Republicans (as my post pointed out, majorities of both parties supported the legislation), but it wasn't really conservatives vs liberals either. After the civlil rights act passed, LBJ said: we just lost the south for the next 50 years. Very precient. That statement hasn't exactly been established as precient. Carter won in the south so there wasn't any "just" about it. They didn't lose the south until at least 1980 which was 16 years later. And even that's questionable. Every Democratic president since was at least competitive in the south. Carter dominated in the South, winning every old confederate state except VA. Reagan dominated the south, but Reagan dominated the country in electoral vote terms. The same (to a lesser extent) holds for Bush I's first election. Clinton was competitive in the South against Bush I (winning TN, GA, LA, AR) and Dole (winning FL, AR, LA, TN). Then you have the one Republican president who dominated the south without dominating the country, Bush II. Obama won FL, VA, NC, and got 47% in GA. Even if you consider the situation since Carter to be "losing the south" for Democrats, its only been 28 years not 50 (or even the 44 years since the act passed). And their are many other issues behind the shift. Its not primarily a civil rights thing, esp. not a black civil rights thing (esp. since forced busing and affirmative action are not properly considered rights). Even you point out the strategy as "guns, god and gays". Nothing about the 1964 civil rights act, or 1965 voting rights act there. It was an ugly staregy that divided us until Nov 4, 2008! 1 - Gun control, and some of the other things the people in the south where against where an ugly and divisive strategies. 2 - See the picture here 4-blockworld.com