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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (47864)1/24/2009 7:05:31 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 57684
 
"Doctor Doom" says that The Worst Is Yet To Come

forbes.com

Nouriel Roubini, 01.22.09, 12:01 AM EST

The bear market sucker's rally is losing its steam.

I have been predicting for a while that the most recent bear market sucker's rally would lose its steam and, like the previous bear market rallies in the last 18 months, U.S. and global equities prices would head again toward new lows. Here's why.

As my work and the work of our research team at RGE Monitor predicts (we will publish, later this week, our 2009 Global Economic Outlook, a 75-page research piece for our clients), this will be the worst U.S. recession in the last 50 years--and the worst synchronized global recession in decades.

For a few weeks since late November, equity markets ignored the onslaught of much-worse-than-expected macro news (and all the news was really worse than awful) and had a nice 25% bear market sucker's rally. But the drumbeat of worse-than-expected macro new--and earnings news, and financial news--has finally taken a toll on the delusional market belief that the worst was over for financial markets and for equity markets and that the U.S. and global economy would recover in the second half of 2009. So equity prices have already reversed more than half of their most recent bear market rally as the lousy macro news has finally shocked the wishful thinkers.

Indeed, the retail sales figures just published confirmed that a shopped-out, savings-less and debt-burdened U.S. consumer is now faltering as job losses, income losses, falls in home wealth, falls in equity wealth, high and rising debt and debt-servicing ratios and a severe credit crunch take a severe toll on the ability of consumers to spend. And reduction in spending and deleveraging of the U.S. consumer will take years to rebuild the savings rate of a household sector now hit by a severe shock to its net worth (as equity and home values fall while debts have been rising), and shocked in its inability to generate income as job losses mount and the unemployment rate surges.

Our research at RGE Monitor suggests that the U.S. and global recession will continue at least until Q4 2009 (a nasty, 24-month, U-shaped recession) and that the recovery in 2010-'11 will be very weak, with growth around 1%--well below a potential of 2.75%. And we cannot rule out that a more severe L-shaped stag-deflation (as in Japan in the 1990s) will take hold. Indeed, as I have argued, while the odds of a systemic financial meltdown have been reduced by the actions of the Group of Seven and other economies, severe vulnerabilities remain.

The credit crunch will persist and spread beyond mortgages. Deleveraging will continue, as thousands of hedge funds--many of which will go bust--and other leveraged players are forced to sell assets into illiquid and distressed markets, causing price declines and driving more insolvent financial institutions out of business. Credit losses will mount as the recession deepens, and a few emerging-market economies will certainly experience full-blown financial crisis.

So 2009 will be a painful year of global recession and further financial stresses, losses and bankruptcies. Currently, the probability of an L-shaped, stag-deflation is now rising to one-third, while the probability of a severe U-shaped recession is two-thirds. Only aggressive, coordinated and effective policy action by both advanced and emerging-market countries can ensure the global economy starts to recover, however slowly, in 2010, rather than entering a more protracted period of economic stagnation.

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So while our benchmark scenarios see a severe U-shaped global recession with very weak growth recovery in 2010, we cannot exclude the possibility of a worse outcome--i.e. an L-shaped recession that, in our view, has at least a one-third probability. So the worst is ahead of us rather than behind us, both for the real economy and for financial markets.

With my forecast of 2009 earnings per share for S&P 500 firms being in the $50 to $60 range, and with price-earnings ratios likely to be in the 10 to 12 range, given a severe global recession, the S&P 500 could bottom at some point in 2009, at best at a level of 720 and, in a worse scenario, as low as 500 or 600.

So, the worst is indeed still ahead of us.

*Nouriel Roubini, a professor at the Stern Business School at New York University and chairman of Roubini Global Economics, is a weekly columnist for Forbes.com. Analysts at Roubini Global Economics assisted in research for this week's column.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (47864)1/24/2009 9:20:32 PM
From: Rock_nj  Respond to of 57684
 
Cash on sidelines now 74% of stocks' value; 18-year high
10:13 AM, December 29, 2008

If and when investors decide that they want to buy stocks again, they won’t lack for dry powder.

Bloomberg News and Leuthold Group crunched the numbers and tallied $8.85 trillion now in cash, bank deposits and money market mutual funds.

More striking is that the cash total is equal to 74% of the entire market value of U.S. companies, the highest ratio since 1990, according to Bloomberg:

"There is a store of cash out there that is able to take the market higher," said Eric Bjorgen, who helps oversee $3.4 billion at Leuthold in Minneapolis. "The same dollar you had last year buys you twice as much S&P 500 as it did a year ago."

Leuthold Group, whose Grizzly Short Fund returned 83% in 2008 thanks to bets against equities, said in its December bulletin to investors that stocks offer "one of the great buying opportunities of your lifetime."

The historical data on cash holdings versus market capitalization shows how quickly stocks can rise when money begins to flow back in, Bloomberg notes:

Cash holdings peaked one month before equities began to recover during the two longest recessions since World War II -- in 1982 and 1974.

In July 1982, money of zero maturity as a percentage of the U.S. stock market’s value rose to 95% before a 20-month bear market ended and the S&P 500 began a six-month, 36% advance.

Cash on hand reached $604.5 billion in September 1974, representing a record 1.21 times U.S. stock capitalization. That preceded a 31% gain in equities between October 1974 and March 1975.

"If history tends to repeat itself, we’re in the exact same scenario," said Neil Hennessy, who oversees $650 million as president of Hennessy Advisors in Novato, Calif. "Once the money starts to come back into the market, buying is going to beget more buying. People don’t want to be left behind."

But note that the current cash-to-market-capitalization ratio, at 74%, still is below the peaks in 1982 and 1974. If we have to go back to either of those peaks, stocks have to fall further or cash totals have to get bigger, or both.

latimesblogs.latimes.com



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (47864)1/25/2009 3:44:45 AM
From: fedhead  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 57684
 
I hope you are right. Its much easier to make money in a
bull market. And fortunes are going to be made in the bull
market that follows this bear.

Anindo



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (47864)1/25/2009 7:58:51 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 57684
 
Obama's TIGR Team Considers Cloud Computing and Virtualization

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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (47864)1/27/2009 7:11:32 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 57684
 
10 Cloud Computing Predictions For 2009

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