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To: Katelew who wrote (101845)	1/25/2009 6:39:17 PM
From: Paul Kern	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543291

Throw off your anti-religious bias and look at the post and link I just gave to John. Your knee-jerk reaction was to assume that creationism and ID are interchangeable. They're not....truly apples and oranges I've discovered. I was surprised, too. I think you confuse religion based reality with reality based reality. Congratulations on your belief but I can made as good a case for believing in the tooth fairy.

To: Katelew who wrote (101845)	1/26/2009 10:33:06 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543291

You're forming a stunningly rigid position on something you haven't investigated....at least I presume you haven't. Some things are too obvious to require deep investigation. If I insisted in the face of opposition that beef was not a vegetable or that birds have feathers, would you consider my position "stunningly rigid"? I know the difference between science and philosophy and the difference between the scientific method and argumentation/persuasion. You are resisting that distinction and conflating them. Your knee-jerk reaction was to assume that creationism and ID are interchangeable. I don't assume any such thing. I have reviewed both and recognize that there is a scientific veneer on ID. But a veneer is not enough. Neither of them is science. Apples and oranges are different from each other but, still, neither is a vegetable and there is no argumentation/persuasion that will make either a vegetable.