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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (101969)	1/26/2009 2:30:12 PM
From: cosmicforce	Respond to of 542957

<Why not leave it at that?> IMO, it actually doesn't matter what was the motive was. ID, whoever proposed it, no matter why, isn't a scientific theory for the reasons I tried to make clear in other posts. As Karen I discussed, the lack of clarity on the Scientific Method and an inability or unwillingness to grasp the need for "falsifiability" is the root cause. People say "My theory is as good as yours". And that may be true in a social or relative sense, but it is only scientific if those people tell us how to falsify it. For ID that boils down to one question "What measurements would make ID clearly not true?" ID can't be shown NOT to be true, even by a experimenter's success in producing a design out of randomness. Strange or non-standard theories turn out to be true all the time, but they have to be eventually formulated as scientific and falsifiable theories.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (101969)	1/26/2009 2:32:20 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542957

I understand, Mary, but that wasn't me proposing it. I was somewhat attacked and belittled last night as though I was. Now, as for what is being taught in religious schools, I will venture a guess that the Genesis creation story is NOT being taught as science in their ninth grade biology classes. Regardless of how Wiki tries to paint the controversy, this is my guess. I read Wiki, too, but never was there offered an example of a teaching.....no passage from a textbook used in a religious school. And I haven't been able to google anything up either. They are able to teach ID in any religious and private school setting that will have them. Why not leave it at that? So what? I see this issue as similar to the fear of school prayer. Where is there real and measurable harm occurring to those school kids subjected to school prayer and a reading of Genesis?