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To: tejek who wrote (451087)1/26/2009 3:41:31 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1574101
 
Male U.S. veterans are twice as likely to die by suicide than people with no military service

Males in general are more likely to die by suicide than people with no military service. "People with no military service" is a group that's more than 50% female. People with military service might be 90% male, and "Male U.S. veterans" is 100% male. Men are more likely to die from suicide.

And the statement wasn't even about suicide rates in isolation, but "particularly prone to being homeless or having higher than normal suicide and murder rates"

The New York Time falsely gave the impression that veterans are more likely to commit homicide when they are less likely to do so than non-veterans who are demographically similar (sex, age, etc.)

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blackfive.net

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THE New York Times is trashing our troops again. With no new "atrocities" to report from Iraq for many a month, the limping Gray Lady turned to the home front. Front and center, above the fold, on the front page of Sunday's Times, the week's feature story sought to convince Americans that combat experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan are turning troops into murderers when they come home.

Heart-wringing tales of madness and murder not only made the front page, but filled two entire centerfold pages and spilled onto a fourth.

The Times did get one basic fact right: Returning vets committed or are charged with 121 murders in the United States since our current wars began.

Had the Times' "journalists" and editors bothered to put those figures in context - which they carefully avoided doing - they would've found that the murder rate that leaves them so aghast means that our vets are five times less likely to commit a murder than their demographic peers.

The Times' public editor, Clark Hoyt, should crunch the numbers. I'm even willing to spot the Times a few percentage points (either way). But the hard statistics from the Justice Department tell a far different tale from the Times' anti-military propaganda.

A very conservative estimate of how many different service members have passed through Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait since 2003 is 350,000 (and no, that's not double-counting those with repeated tours of duty).

Now consider the Justice Department's numbers for murders committed by all Americans aged 18 to 34 - the key group for our men and women in uniform. To match the homicide rate of their peers, our troops would've had to come home and commit about 150 murders a year, for a total of 700 to 750 murders between 2003 and the end of 2007.

In other words, the Times unwittingly makes the case that military service reduces the likelihood of a young man or woman committing a murder by 80 percent.

Yes, the young Americans who join our military are (by self- selection) superior by far to the average stay-at-home. Still, these numbers are pretty impressive, when you consider that we're speaking of men and women trained in the tools of war, who've endured the acute stresses of fighting insurgencies and who are physically robust (rather unlike the stick-limbed weanies the Times prefers).

All in all, the Times' own data proves my long-time contention that we have the best behaved and most ethical military in history.

Now, since the folks at the Times are terribly busy and awfully important, let's make it easy for them to do the research themselves (you can do it, too - in five minutes).

Just Google "USA Murder Statistics." The top site to appear will be the Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics. Click on it, then go to "Demographic Trends." Click on "Age." For hard numbers on the key demographics, click on the colored graphs.

Run the numbers yourself, based upon the demographic percentages of murders per every 100,000 people. Then look at the actual murder counts.

Know what else you'll learn? In 2005 alone, 8,718 young Americans from the same age group were murdered in this country. That's well over twice as many as the number of troops killed in all our foreign missions since 2001. Maybe military service not only prevents you from committing crimes, but also keeps you alive?

Want more numbers? In the District of Columbia, our nation's capital, the murder rate for the 18-34 group was about 14 times higher than the rate of murders allegedly committed by returning vets.

And that actually understates the District's problem, since many DC-related murders spill across into Prince George's County (another Democratic Party stronghold).

In DC, an 18-34 population half the size of the total number of troops who've served in our wars overseas committed the lion's share of 992 murders between 2003 and 2007 - the years mourned by the Times as proving that our veterans are psychotic killers.

Aren't editors supposed to ask tough questions on feature stories? Are the Times' editors so determined to undermine the public's support for our troops that they'll violate the most-basic rules of journalism, such as putting numbers in context?

nypost.com

Since 9/11, about 1.6 million troops have served in either Iraq or Afghanistan. That makes the homicide rate among veterans of these wars 7.6 per 100,000 -- or about one-third the homicide rate for their age group (18 to 35) in the general population of both sexes.

But fewer than 200,000 of the 1.6 million troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan have been women, and the murder rate for the general population includes both males and females. Inasmuch as males commit nearly 90 percent of all murders, the rate for males in those age groups is probably nearly double the male/female combined rates, which translates to about 30 to 55 murderers per 100,000 males aged 18 to 35.

So comparing the veterans' rate of murder to only their male counterparts in the general population, we see that Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are about 10 times less likely to commit a murder than non-veterans of those wars.

theodoresworld.net



To: tejek who wrote (451087)1/26/2009 3:52:40 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 1574101
 
Military Suicide Study Mystery

Thursday, June 14, 2007
By Steven Milloy

Researchers and the media did their best this week to scare military personnel and their families with the widely reported headline, “Military Service Doubles Suicide Risk.”

“Male veterans are twice as likely as their civilian counterparts to die by suicide,” Portland State University professor Mark Kaplan told the Atlanta Journal Constitution. “We don’t know why. But this finding may foreshadow what is going to come with the current cohort of military personnel who have served in Afghanistan and Iraq,” he added.

Published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health (July 2007), Kaplan’s study consisted of 320,890 men who were followed for 12 years. As it is a statistical correlation study – rather than an investigation into whether an actual cause-and-effect relationship exists between military service and suicide – I naturally was skeptical. From the very beginning, the study didn’t disappoint me.

The study summary stated that the veterans’ suicide rate was 2.04 times that of non-veterans. When I read the study to see how the 2.04 figure was derived, I found no explanation. Mysteriously, the 2.04 figure did not even appear in the study itself – that’s pretty unusual.

I did, however, find a bar graph in the study that presented 2.13 as the difference in suicide rate between veterans and non-veterans.

You might think that this solved the mystery. A typographical or editorial foul-up must have inadvertently led to the 2.04-figure, rather than the 2.13 figure, being spotlighted in the study summary, right? We’ll get to that later. In the meantime, my discovery of the 2.13-figure only deepened the mystery.

Kaplan wrote in his study that the 2.13-figure represented the difference in suicide rates between veterans and non-veterans after statistical adjustment to account for other potential risk factors for suicide, including age, marital status, living arrangement, race, education, family income, employment status, geographic region, interval since last visit to a doctor, self-rated health and body mass index.

This list seemed impressively comprehensive and ostensibly strengthened the case for his claimed result – until, that is, I discovered that a key potential suicide risk factor apparently was omitted from his statistical adjustment.

There’s a table in Kaplan’s study in which he presents the difference in veteran suicide rates by individual risk factors, including age, race, marital status, living arrangement, education, employment status, region of residence, urban/rural locality, self-rated health, body mass index, psychiatric conditions and activity limitation.

With the exception of race, education and activity limitation, none of these risk factors were statistically significantly associated with increased suicide rates. But since race, education and activity limitation were associated with increased suicide risk, all three should have been among the potential risk factors Kaplan considered when he did his statistical adjustments to produce the 2.13-figure.

If you compare the above-mentioned lists of suicide risk factors, however, you’ll note that while activity limitation was identified as a significant risk factor for suicide, it apparently was not included in the statistical adjustment that produced the 2.13-figure.

And of the three statistically significant risk factors for suicide, activity limitation was by far the greatest – veterans with activity limitations had a 4.44 times greater rate of suicide than veterans with no activity limitations, as compared to race (3.23) and education (2.67).

Is the omission of the activity limitation factor another study typo? Was it inadvertently omitted from the statistical adjustment? Or was it omitted from the analysis because it would produce a non-result that rendered the study non-publishable and non-newsworthy?

It certainly cannot be said that Kaplan was ignorant of the significance of the activity limitation risk factor. “According to Kaplan, the risk of suicide was highest among men whose activities were limited by health problems,” reported the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Kaplan also published a study earlier this year entitled, “Physical illness, functional limitations and suicide risk: A population-based study” in the American Journal of Orthopsychiatry (Jan. 2007) in which he stated, “After controlling for potential [confounding risk factors], functional limitations were shown to be a significant predictor of suicide.”

When I contacted Kaplan about these issues, he immediately acknowledged that the 2.04-figure was a typo and that the 2.13-figure was correct. Interestingly, he also provided me with a dubious error bar for the 2.13 figure. When I asked him about that, another acknowledgment of error was made. These may seem like small errors, but they certainly build no confidence.

As to the crucial omission of activity limitation as a risk factor, Kaplan deferred responding, writing that he needed to consult with one of his statistician co-authors.

As of the time of this column, I had not heard back from Kaplan on that point. But you might think that a lead study author who gave many media interviews this week would be readily familiar with such a key component of his analysis. Of all the researchers I’ve interviewed over the years about their results, none has ever failed to immediately provide an answer to such a basic question.

I don’t know whether Kaplan ultimately will produce a satisfactory explanation for the activity limitation omission – the study’s remaining mystery. In some ways it doesn’t matter.

The study’s other shortcomings – particularly that veteran suicide rates weren’t higher across the vast majority of demographic groups examined, which indicates that military service itself isn’t a causative factor in suicide – are alone enough to debunk it and the scary headlines it spawned.

But the wide reporting of a paper with such major and easily discoverable problems – as well as Kaplan’s questionable effort to foment concern about suicide risk among veterans of Afghanistan and Iraq – reflects poorly on him and his co-authors, the publishing journal and the media.

junkscience.com



To: tejek who wrote (451087)1/26/2009 3:55:00 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574101
 
[Eugene Volokh, November 14, 2007 at 7:34pm] Trackbacks
"A CBS News Investigation Uncovers A Suicide Rate for Veterans Twice That of Other Americans" -- Or Does It?

The quote is drawn from this CBS News story, with results that CBS labels "stunning." And the story claims that the stunning results indeed remain robust when one controls for sex. Here's the data on the Methodolgy page:

Results for 2004

Overall Rates
Veterans: 17.5 to 21.8 per 100,000
Non-Veterans: 9.4 per 100,000

Male Rates
Veterans: 30.6 to 38.3 per 100,000
Non-Veterans: 18.3 per 100,000

Female Rates
Veterans: 10.0 to 12.5 per 100,000
Non-Veterans: 4.8 per 100,000

Results for 2005

Overall Rates
Veterans: 18.7 to 20.8 per 100,000
Non-Veterans: 8.9 per 100,000

Male Rates
Veterans: 31.5 to 35.3 per 100,000
Non-Veterans: 17.6 per 100,000

Female Rates
Veterans: 11.1 to 12.3 per 100,000
Non-Veterans: 4.5 per 100,000

Yet here's something odd about the data: For the overall rates to correspond to the male and female rates, the veteran pool would have to be 62% to 64% female, and the nonveteran pool would have to be about 66% female. Check it out, for instance, with the lower bounds on the 2005 data: 11.1 x 0.63 (female) + 31.5 x 0.37 (male) = a bit under 18.7 (overall).

Or, if you prefer, consider a veteran pool of 23 million people. You'd need:

* 14.5 million (23 million x 0.63) women, or 145 hundred-thousands, with 1610 suicides (145 x 11.1) and
* 8.5 million (23 million x .037) men, or 85 hundred-thousands, with 2680 suicides (85 x 31.5) to get
* a total of 4290 suicides (a bit under 18.7 per 100,000) for the whole 23 million.

That can't be right. The VA reports that the veteran pool is only 7% female, which means that if the CBS News overall veteran and female veteran numbers are right, then the male veteran numbers would be 19.27 to 21.4 in 2005 and 18.06 to 22.5 in 2004, not far from the male suicide rate of about 17.7 per year (see WISQARS). Of course, we can't tell which of the CBS numbers are right — but it does seem like they can't all be right. Plus of course you can't have a population that's about 51% female but at the same time 62-64% female among veterans and 66% female among nonveterans.

volokh.com