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To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (9082)	10/24/1997 1:19:00 AM
From: Barnabus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"Manasseh was twelve years old when he became king, and he reigned fifty-five years in Jerusalem. And he did evil in the sight of the LORD..." II Chronicles 33:1-2a "Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned thirty one years in Jerusalem. And he did right in the sight of the LORD..." II Chronicles 34:1-2a Application- Good guise. Bad guise. God sovereignly in control. That's the simplistic nuts and bolts of it all. J.

To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (9082)	10/24/1997 11:09:00 AM
From: Lee Bush	Respond to of 39621

Robert: I have no problem with symbolism used in the Revelation. I think that there is both and sometimes a single passage has several levels of meaning. I think it is important to differentiate where John is in the Spirit. For instance, a major dividing line in the book is when he is instructed to "come up hither". Those things that he sees in heavenly places do not have human words for him to describe. This was a problem faced by all of the prophets as well. There simply isn't a frame of reference for someone like Ezekiel to describe those heavenly creatures, etc. I think that we should try to use literal meanings unless it is apparent that they are symbolic. I hope this explains my position in regards to literal vs. symbolic meaning. I don't think you would argue that everything is symbolic in the book. Lee