To: roto who wrote (63099 ) 1/29/2009 6:55:14 AM From: marcos Respond to of 78416 'maybe some sort of national service' - you could call the organisation the CCC, for Christian Commie Caring, maybe ... or Ckil a Commie for Christ, for those who object to the first, and make sure you don't get their t-shirts mixed up Quite a discussion sunday night here, eclectic bunch covering the full political spectrum, big theme was how the thirties compare to today, and what is to be done ... majority in attendance being over fifty, it was decided that the young are far softer now, have higher expectations and lower morals, don't have basic life skills common in the thirties and don't want to either ... remember that 1929 comes only eleven years after 'the last peasant war', some historian calls WWI something like this, can't recall who, but it's true - up to 1918 men are still treated very much as cannon fodder, by 1939 at least the appearance of being economical with personnel had to be kept up ... and even in the forties when they said wear this and march there and shoot that, you just did it, would kids nowadays accept anything like this structure, probably not The nature of work is quite different as well, machines do all the grunt labour now, most of the men 'employed' by efforts like the CCC were operating hand tools and wheelbarrows, it didn't require so much training to get a project going ... permitting wouldn't have taken so long then either One worry we don't have at the moment is drought, which hit hard societies that were much more agrarian So much myth still around in re FDR and his Magical Money Machine ... few realise that it was Hoover who started many of the projects and who had increased government spending by far more than Roosevelt did until the war came ... really it was the war that finally unleashed the full force of Keynes' experiment, this was even more the case in Canada which was in the war earlier and gearing up before that ... there have been left-wing legends built on how prosperity only came with increased govt spending and control, well yeah it was sort of like that, but how closely do we want to repeat the process Fairly good nytimes piece on this - nytimes.com