To: cosmicforce who wrote (102102 ) 1/27/2009 10:30:33 AM From: JohnM Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 542907 I'm a bit puzzled by your response. I was simply telling Kate that I found the propensity to respond to a small bit of a post rather than the central argument to be a general sin not one specific to liberals. And, moreover, not necessarily a sin but a way a poster might choose simply to change the conversation. I wasn't responding to the full chain. I was not even aware of it. As for your point, I'm not certain I have a point to make. It's clear that some jobs call for folk who think and live within the borders and some from those who think and work outside of them. I don't think the FBI should have sought the first and avoided the second; just making the observation that Hoover was famous for doing so. And, of course, there is the Watson example at IBM--dress codes and all. Highly inappropriate in terms of job performance at a computer company.When I was in the Navy the unorthodox people were all put on nights and a crew of half as many did twice as much. This is not just a single data point. On this point, I have a bit of corroborating evidence. Binge drinking became a serious problem in colleges through the 90s. Perhaps it had always been--I recall a good bit when I was an undergraduate. But we certainly became more aware of it as it became a punishable student offense, as serious health concerns began to grow, and as public reporting increased. For those of us who worked with students (I lived in a student dorm during the week and then commuted back to Jersey on the weekends), the consensus was that the kids most likely to have drinking problems were those who grew up in the strictest, no drinking families. Went wild when they got away from home. We had no numerical data to support this. The general conclusion that it would not be possible to gather such without violating certain privacy restrictions. But the sheer number of incidents seem to bear out the observation.