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To: Smiling Bob who wrote (179921)1/27/2009 10:38:15 AM
From: DebtBombRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
Nationalise them and kick the crooks out.



To: Smiling Bob who wrote (179921)1/27/2009 10:56:53 AM
From: MulhollandDriveRespond to of 306849
 
uh oh...pigmen are not going to be amused <gg>

seriously though...this is just going to drive more economic activity underground...very bad policy coming out of sacramento

Calif. governor wants to tax golf, auto repairs

By STEVE LAWRENCE, Associated Press Writer Steve Lawrence, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 12 mins ago AP – Fred Mayers, left and Jean Plourde walk the fairway on the sixth hole of the golf course at William Land … SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Golf course owners and some of their customers are teed off at Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. So are veterinarians, auto mechanics and amusement park operators.

Their anger is directed at the Republican governor's proposal to extend the state sales tax to cover more services, an idea that has surfaced in other states as they race to plug crippling budget deficits. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a research clearinghouse, predicts such deficits nationwide could reach $350 billion by 2011.

In California, Schwarzenegger wants to help close a nearly $42 billion budget deficit by taxing rounds of golf, auto repairs, veterinary care, amusement park and sporting event admissions and appliance and furniture repairs.

Democratic Gov. David Paterson in New York has proposed levies on MP3 downloads, taxi rides, movies, concerts, sporting events, and personal services such as haircuts, manicures and massages.

Schwarzenegger's fellow Republican in Utah, Gov. Jon Huntsman, has shelved a proposal to tax attorney and accounting services but promises to bring it back next year.

Service taxes in other states include levies on pet grooming, water well drilling, fur storage, massages, shoe repairs, swimming pool cleaning, taxidermy, and dating and diaper services. But that doesn't make the groups affected by Schwarzenegger's proposal feel any better.

"We're old and retired. We don't need any more taxes," said Fred Mayers of Sacramento as he played golf recently at a public course in the state capital. "The only luxury we have is playing golf. They can't charge us any more."

Scott Pattison, executive director of the National Association of State Budget Officers, said more states could be looking at service taxes as they get deeper into legislative sessions.

"It's one of those things that's so politically difficult and controversial that it's usually one of the last proposals that's floated," he said.

California already taxes some services, including gift wrapping, tuxedo rentals and video rentals for home use. But virtually every other state applies its sales tax to more services, said Jean Ross, executive director of the California Budget Project, a Sacramento think tank.

The tax on services is part of $14.3 billion in hikes Schwarzenegger has proposed to help close a budget deficit that's projected to total $41.6 billion over the next 17 months. He also is seeking $17.7 billion in spending cuts and $10 billion in additional borrowing.

In addition to the service tax, Schwarzenegger proposes hiking the sales tax by 1.5 percent through the end of 2011, boosting taxes on alcoholic drinks, increasing the vehicle registration fee by $12 and taxing companies that extract oil.

Local sales taxes in California range from 7.25 percent to 9.25 percent, varying from county to county and even from city to city. A 1.5 percentage point increase would boost the rate to nearly 10 percent in many areas of the state.

Republican lawmakers have refused for months to consider raising taxes but recently indicated a willingness to consider hikes if they're tied to tough spending controls.

Schwarzenegger and lawmakers have little time left to strike a deal. The state controller has said he will have to delay tax refunds and some other payments for 30 days starting Feb. 1 because of a cash shortage. The governor also has ordered tens of thousands of state employees to take two days off a month without pay, starting Feb. 6.

"There's no good time to raise taxes," said H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for Schwarzenegger's Department of Finance. "This is not something that the governor is putting forward because he enjoys it."

He said the six types of services Schwarzenegger is proposing to tax were picked because they involve businesses that commonly collect sales taxes on goods they sell and could quickly adjust.

The affected industry groups say they are being unfairly targeted and that similar businesses are exempt.

"You don't see a tax on movies," said Bob Bouchier, executive director of the California Alliance for Golf. "You don't see a tax on bowling. You don't see skiing. You don't see a tax on any other sport."

The administration estimates that the service taxes would raise $1.4 billion through the fiscal year that ends June 30, 2010. Schwarzenegger wants to implement the taxes on appliance and furniture repairs, golf, veterinary care and vehicle repairs by March 1. The taxes on amusement park and sporting event tickets would kick in on April 1.

Opponents question whether the taxes would raise that much, saying they would result in layoffs and fewer customers.

"You're looking at a $50 increase on a $500 (repair) bill at a time when people are not buying new cars and instead are having their old cars repaired so they can keep them on the road to drive to work," said Peter Welch, president of the California New Car Dealers Association.

"This is really going to hit people when they're down."

Opponents also suggest that other increases, such as a boost in income taxes or restoration of the annual vehicle license fee that Schwarzenegger cut when he took office, would be less damaging.

Not everyone that would be affected is upset.

Sean Grace, a home remodeling contractor from the Sacramento suburb of Elk Grove, said die-hard golfers will find a way to pay the tax if lawmakers approve it.

"Ten percent is not too much," he said before slamming a long drive down the fifth fairway at Sacramento's Land Park golf course. "You've got guys paying $100 (for green fees). What's another $10? They're going to find it somewhere."



To: Smiling Bob who wrote (179921)1/27/2009 11:01:53 AM
From: bigfishyRespond to of 306849
 
//Belt tightening at the top! At least all that bail-out $ is stimulating something worthwhile. Now if it can stimulate a little more noose tightening, maybe it won't be such a total waste.//
msnbc.msn.com

NEW YORK - Citigroup Inc , which received a massive taxpayer-funded rescue last year, canceled plans to buy a $50 million executive jet after news of the new plane drew rebukes from politicians.

The bank is under heavy pressure from regulators and elected officials after receiving $45 billion of capital from the U.S. government last year, including a $20 billion emergency infusion in November.

On Monday, Citigroup said it was going through with plans to buy a $50 million jet, which a person familiar with the matter said was a Dassault Falcon 7X. The bank said the new plane would cut its costs and it was financing the purchase by selling older jets.
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But on Tuesday, a spokesman said Citigroup has no intention of taking delivery of any new aircraft.

On Tuesday, CNBC said it has learned that the Treasury Department put pressure on Citi not to accept the plane. Citing sources, CNBC said someone in the department called the bank to express "disappointment" in Citi's original decision to take delivery. The call was said not to be from new Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner.

Citigroup had ordered the executive jet in 2005, and was scheduled to receive it later this year. The bank said on Monday that canceling the deal would force it to pay millions of dollars of penalties.

The jet quickly became a lightning rod of criticism. A White House spokesman said President Barack Obama does not believe "that's the best use of money" by companies receiving taxpayer assistance.

Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, pressed the Treasury Department to block the sale.

"To permit Citigroup to purchase a plush plane — foreign-built no less — while domestic auto companies are being required to sell off their jets is a ridiculous double standard," Levin said.

Not only is Citi not planning to take delivery of a new jet, it is also planning to cut the number of corporate jets in its existing fleet to two from five, according to a person familiar with situation, who asked not to be identified because the plans are not public.

Corporate jets have become a hot-button topic amid the ongoing credit crisis as the cost of owning and operating them has come into question, especially for companies receiving financial support from the government.

In November, executives of automakers Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC were roundly criticized for flying on corporate jets to Washington to ask Congress for federal bailout money.

Citi has been among the hardest hit banks by rising loan defaults and souring investments, and been one of the biggest recipients of government support.

Amid the struggles, Citi has been working to streamline its operations and shed assets in an effort to regain profitability. The bank has posted five consecutive quarterly losses, including a fourth-quarter loss of $8.29 billion.



To: Smiling Bob who wrote (179921)1/27/2009 1:52:23 PM
From: patron_anejo_por_favorRead Replies (3) | Respond to of 306849
 
>>Under the government's no-strings-attached bailout plan, taxpayers must take it on faith that bank executives will make better decisions this time around, said Jamie Court, president of the California-based group Consumer Watchdog.

"When you deal with the same dogs, you're going to end up with the same fleas," Court said.<<

Of course, the same can be said about both Tim "Dr. Strangelove" Geithner and Dollar Ben Bernanke. Both were loyal lapdogs to Easy Al and his financial destructo apparatus of the post I-net bubble era. Same dogs, same fleas, and we're all gonna end up with the plague.



To: Smiling Bob who wrote (179921)1/27/2009 10:33:07 PM
From: energyplayRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
Some facts in this are just plain wrong : Wells Fargo stayed away from sub prime the past 5 years.

Wells Fargo bought Wachovia and got their sub prime.

No reason the Wells people should take a hit - the Wachovia management gets to go, the Wells people get to spend the next few years cleaning up the mess.

WaMu was the biggest sub prime banker, Wachovia did not go as far.

JPMorgan Chase is stuck with WaMu, God help them.