To: TimF who wrote (451497 ) 1/27/2009 4:43:49 PM From: tejek Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1573950 In 1900, the Palestinians were farming and ranching the land that had been theirs for thousands of years. Suddenly, all these Zionist Jews start popping up, buying land from the Brits and the Turks. There where some Jews there as well. The vast majority were Arabs. And others that came really did buy land, sometimes twice, paying the Palestinians for land as well. They bought the land mostly from Brits and Turks, not the Palestinians. It was immigration not conquest. Immigration authorized by a colonial power. The Palestinians didn't, and pretty much have never had a country, and where not at the time thought of as a distinct nationality, they where just Arabs who happened to live in the area, which was controlled by the Ottomans then the British. When Arabs had ruled the land, it was ruled by other Arab leaders from outside of Palestine, and of course they had conquered it from those who had it before them. You can play with the 'numbers' all you want but that doesn't change the fact the Palestinians see that land as theirs. Its similar with most nations. The US, used to be controlled by Indian tribes, European countries invaded and conquered each other, as did countries and tribes across the world. And the US has been willing to pay for its transgressions. Israel refuses categorically. We have to deal with the fact now, not try to undo mass immigrations or conquests and political changes back through history. Those past changes don't justify what Hamas does, and any organization controlling a territory who acts like Hamas, isn't going to be given peace and full sovereignty. Most nations would be far less restrained in responding than Israel has been. Many governments that criticize Israel for its response would probably have tried to wipe out the Palestinians had they been in the same situation. So? We are not talking those nations. Those nations typically don't get $6 billion per year in aid from the US.