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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (180440)	1/29/2009 10:26:45 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

"O wants to eliminate tax returns for retirees making $50k or less. Couple that with tax breaks/welfare (stimulus plan) at the other end of the scale and the Dems have solidified their base with welfare for over 50% of the voters." You're parroting Rush EXACTLY here Jim! Are you a dittohead? Daily listener?

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (180440)	1/29/2009 11:19:42 AM
From: ChanceIs	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

>>>Dems have solidified their base with welfare for over 50% of the voters.<<< Several thoughts and one opinion: Thoughts: 1) The whole Alternative Minimum Tax issue came about under Nixon because some tiny number of Americans (two hundred) were ......horrors......paying no taxes at all. Albeit these were "rich" people, but they were probably accomplishing government's intention by taking government structured deductions/credits (eg Sec 29 natural gas credits under Carter). So now we have 50% of taxpayers paying no tax at all. Isn't justice supposed to be blind?? 2) Once you (the Dems) have given everything possible, do you retain your voting base? Can the Dems promise anything more then keeping the Pubs from reversing the situation? Folks may not expend the energy to go vote if it is merely to prevent a low probability event which might rock the status quo as opposed to a high probability, immeidate reward like a tax cut. Opinion: Everybody should be paying the same proportion of their income/consumption/whatever. That's right baby....a flat tax. No deductions, no credits, no hores&^t for the with which the government can play little games to buy votes year after year. Put it in the Constitution. No skin in the game, no vote. Sounds so harsh, it isn't. You have got to pay to play. From memory on de Toqueville circa 1840...'The American people can have a democracy until Congress discovers that it can bribe the people with their own money.'