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To: cosmicforce who wrote (102733)	2/1/2009 12:51:14 PM
From: Travis_Bickle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543798

Shitty is in the eye of the beholder, I think an economy where people do their own yard work or hire the kid down the street would be a good thing. Lawn care has gotten to be a ridiculously large business that serves no real purpose and is bad for the environment, and most of the work seems to be done by Mexicans and Guatemalans. Things seem to be headed in the right direction as far as that goes.

To: cosmicforce who wrote (102733)	2/3/2009 12:20:26 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 543798

As long as the Catholic Church and local custom insists on no birth control, being concerned more with "being fruitful and multiplying" than standard of living, the root causes of high population and poverty, the supply of semi-skilled labor will be unlimited. At least if your talking about rich countries, including the US, that isn't really true. The influence of the Church in general and esp. on this issue has greatly declined. Catholics in the US and most other rich countries with any significant Catholic presence aren't usually against birth control. And most rich countries aren't having enough children to make the population increase, much less explode. Hopefully it won't get so bad that I and everyone else turns around and tries to work illegally in Mexico. Just about zero chance of that. The US is massively richer than Mexico, and would be even if Mexico continued to grow, while the US went through a downturn as bad as the great depression. And the reality is as the US economy gets slammed, so does Mexico's. It made me furious when Jose Lopez Portillo said he liked to think of the U.S. as a "Safety Valve" for Mexico's excess population. WTF?! I can see how you get angry at the idea that we should serve as a safety valve for another country, esp. when the idea is presented as a demand, or as something that we should be required to accept, or would be wrong if we didn't accept it.