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To: Think4Yourself who wrote (181076)	2/1/2009 3:13:24 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

senators aren't stupid. they are very smart. the reason you don't see this is b/c they aren't doing what you think they are doing. you think they are trying to run the government for the good of the nation. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - suckah! they are really just trying to line their pockets and the pockets of those they care about. looking at it from that point of view... they are incredibly successful as they take the public's money and transfer it to themselves and to their friends and family. it would be cynical if not 100% true.

To: Think4Yourself who wrote (181076)	2/1/2009 4:33:20 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 306849

Octuplet grandma's shame: daughter has 14 kids, no husband nydailynews.com ( It's time for one of you pro-lifers to step up and take this woman in! She thought God would provide, and God wants YOU..) The kid-crazy California single mom who already had six children gave birth to eight more babies last week because she didn't want to destroy her leftover frozen embryos or have an abortion. Mom of 14 Nadya Suleman's decision to become pregnant with octuplets through in-vitro fertilization exasperated her own mom, who is threatening to pack up and leave. "It can't go on any longer," Angela Suleman said Saturday, as an ethical debate swirled through the medical community. "She's [already] got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married." The grandma, who lives with her 33-year-old daughter in the Los Angeles suburb of Whittier, said she warned, "I'm going to be gone" before the new brood comes home from the hospital. She has about a month to get out. The octuplets - the second known set in the United States - were born nine weeks early and face weeks of hospitalization. The six boys and two girls were delivered by Caesarean section Monday and weighed between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Nadya Suleman turned to artificial means each time she become pregnant because her fallopian tubes were "plugged up," her mother said. She said her daughter used a single donor but that she did not know his name. The baby-mad woman has been obsessed with having lots of children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," the mother said. "Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," the grandma said. "Her whole life, she couldn't wait to be a mom," Nadya Suleman's friend, Allison Frickert, told the Los Angeles Times. "That was her No. 1 goal." But now the mom looks like she already has her hands full. Her family lives in a ramshackle house - the only one on the well-kept block - with a barren front yard. A front window is held together with electrical tape, and toys, a stroller and a tricycle are strewn around. It seems, though, that the mom of 14 finally has reached her limit. "She doesn't have any more [frozen embryos], so it's over now," Angela Suleman said. "It has to be." Doctors applauded the successful delivery, but bioethicists questioned the decision to implant so many embryos into a woman who already had six children. Professional guidelines generally restrict the number of embryos to one or two to avoid dangerous multiple pregnancies. "The cost of taking care of multiples is huge," said Dr. Vicken Sahakian, director of the Pacific Fertility Center in Los Angeles. "It's not going to finish when the babies go home. There's a high likelihood they're going to have [long-term] medical and psychological handicaps." Sahakian predicted an "outcry in our profession" over the octuplets that could lead to regulations similar to those in Europe that limit the number of embryos that can be legally implanted. tmoore@nydailynews.com