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To: Mannie who wrote (159946)2/7/2009 12:37:12 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 362350
 
<<...I think the package could be a lot more incentive laden, which might allow a lot less deficit spending, and spur entrepreneurial activity...>>

Common sense is rarely common practice in Washington (especially in the last 8 years).

Yet, when it comes to the stimulus I tend to agree with the Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman...Congress should go big or go home...Yes, the stimulus package should be intelligently done BUT every week Congress waits the tougher it is for the nation to pull out of this deep downturn...

On the Edge
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Op-Ed Columnist
The New York Times
February 6, 2009

A not-so-funny thing happened on the way to economic recovery. Over the last two weeks, what should have been a deadly serious debate about how to save an economy in desperate straits turned, instead, into hackneyed political theater, with Republicans spouting all the old clichés about wasteful government spending and the wonders of tax cuts.

It’s as if the dismal economic failure of the last eight years never happened — yet Democrats have, incredibly, been on the defensive. Even if a major stimulus bill does pass the Senate, there’s a real risk that important parts of the original plan, especially aid to state and local governments, will have been emasculated.

Somehow, Washington has lost any sense of what’s at stake — of the reality that we may well be falling into an economic abyss, and that if we do, it will be very hard to get out again.

It’s hard to exaggerate how much economic trouble we’re in. The crisis began with housing, but the implosion of the Bush-era housing bubble has set economic dominoes falling not just in the United States, but around the world.

Consumers, their wealth decimated and their optimism shattered by collapsing home prices and a sliding stock market, have cut back their spending and sharply increased their saving — a good thing in the long run, but a huge blow to the economy right now. Developers of commercial real estate, watching rents fall and financing costs soar, are slashing their investment plans. Businesses are canceling plans to expand capacity, since they aren’t selling enough to use the capacity they have. And exports, which were one of the U.S. economy’s few areas of strength over the past couple of years, are now plunging as the financial crisis hits our trading partners.

Meanwhile, our main line of defense against recessions — the Federal Reserve’s usual ability to support the economy by cutting interest rates — has already been overrun. The Fed has cut the rates it controls basically to zero, yet the economy is still in free fall.

It’s no wonder, then, that most economic forecasts warn that in the absence of government action we’re headed for a deep, prolonged slump. Some private analysts predict double-digit unemployment. The Congressional Budget Office is slightly more sanguine, but its director, nonetheless, recently warned that “absent a change in fiscal policy ... the shortfall in the nation’s output relative to potential levels will be the largest — in duration and depth — since the Depression of the 1930s.”

Worst of all is the possibility that the economy will, as it did in the ’30s, end up stuck in a prolonged deflationary trap.

We’re already closer to outright deflation than at any point since the Great Depression. In particular, the private sector is experiencing widespread wage cuts for the first time since the 1930s, and there will be much more of that if the economy continues to weaken.

As the great American economist Irving Fisher pointed out almost 80 years ago, deflation, once started, tends to feed on itself. As dollar incomes fall in the face of a depressed economy, the burden of debt becomes harder to bear, while the expectation of further price declines discourages investment spending. These effects of deflation depress the economy further, which leads to more deflation, and so on.

And deflationary traps can go on for a long time. Japan experienced a “lost decade” of deflation and stagnation in the 1990s — and the only thing that let Japan escape from its trap was a global boom that boosted the nation’s exports. Who will rescue America from a similar trap now that the whole world is slumping at the same time?

Would the Obama economic plan, if enacted, ensure that America won’t have its own lost decade? Not necessarily: a number of economists, myself included, think the plan falls short and should be substantially bigger. But the Obama plan would certainly improve our odds. And that’s why the efforts of Republicans to make the plan smaller and less effective — to turn it into little more than another round of Bush-style tax cuts — are so destructive.

So what should Mr. Obama do? Count me among those who think that the president made a big mistake in his initial approach, that his attempts to transcend partisanship ended up empowering politicians who take their marching orders from Rush Limbaugh. What matters now, however, is what he does next.

It’s time for Mr. Obama to go on the offensive. Above all, he must not shy away from pointing out that those who stand in the way of his plan, in the name of a discredited economic philosophy, are putting the nation’s future at risk. The American economy is on the edge of catastrophe, and much of the Republican Party is trying to push it over that edge.

nytimes.com



To: Mannie who wrote (159946)2/7/2009 12:42:43 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 362350
 
Agreement Reached on Economic Stimulus, Senators Say (Update2)

By Brian Faler

Feb. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Senators agreed on an economic stimulus plan of at least $780 billion to rescue the U.S. economy from sinking into what President Barack Obama warns would be an even deeper recession if Congress doesn’t act.

Three Republicans agreed to join Democrats who control the chamber in supporting the measure. A Senate vote, possibly this weekend, would move Congress closer to Obama’s deadline of sending a bill to him by mid-February. The plan would have to be reconciled with the House-passed $819 billion package.

“We are passing a bold and responsible plan that will help our economy get back on its feet, put people to work and put more money in their pockets,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat.

Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson said he and other senators from both political parties worked “line by line, dollar by dollar” during daylong negotiations to cut more than $100 billion from the Senate’s prior $900 billion-plus proposal. The plan is “about jobs, jobs, jobs,” he said.

Democrats said the $780 billion compromise didn’t include the cost of programs, including tax cuts aimed at boosting the housing and auto industries, that were added to the earlier Senate plan during debate this week.

Today’s Labor Department report, showing that the jobless rate rose to 7.6 percent last month from 7.2 percent in December, added urgency to the congressional talks. Payrolls fell by 598,000, the biggest monthly decline since December 1974.

‘Moving Forward’

“We are pleased the process is moving forward and we are closer to getting Americans a plan to create millions of jobs and get people back to work,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said in a statement.

Earlier today, Obama urged Congress to wrap up its work, saying it would be “inexcusable” to get “bogged down in distraction, delay or politics as usual while millions of Americans are being put out of work.”

Republican Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania said they will support the package.

“This compromise greatly improves the bill,” Collins said.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, said he opposed the plan and doubted it would do enough to boost the economy.

“The president said originally he had hoped to get 80 votes” in the Senate, said McConnell. “It appears that the way this has developed, there will be some bipartisan support but not a lot.” He added: “Most of us are deeply skeptical that this will work.”

Broadband Access

Lawmakers agreed to cut $2 billion that had been set aside to promote broadband access in rural areas, $3.5 billion to make federal buildings more energy efficient, $200 million for NASA and $400 million for state and local law enforcement grants.

Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, a North Dakota Democrat, said education initiatives would take among the biggest cuts under the accord. He estimated the plan now includes about $325 billion in tax cuts after a reduction of $18 billion.

The compromise reduces a proposed subsidy for laid-off workers who under federal law can continue to buy health insurance from their former employers, according to a description by the Senate Finance Committee.

The plan reduced the income cap for workers who would benefit from Obama’s $1,000 payroll tax credit to $140,000 for married couples and $70,000 for singles, from $150,000 and $75,000 respectively.

‘Build America Bonds’

Other provisions would reduce the value of a refundable child tax credit and certain types of new “build America bonds.” The compromise measure retains a $15,000 tax credit for people who buy homes over the next year and tax deductions for buyers of new cars, both of which were added to the larger measure this week, according to committee spokeswoman Carol Guthrie.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, said earlier today she is “very much opposed to the cuts that are being proposed in the Senate” such as the reductions in education spending.

Lawmakers today approved an amendment imposing tougher restrictions on money for pet projects than those in the House bill. The House measure bars stimulus funding from going to casinos, aquariums, zoos, golf courses and swimming pools. The amendment adopted today includes those restrictions while also barring money from going to museums, arts centers, theaters, highway beautification projects, stadiums and parks.

“It’s about saying to the American people that we’re going to prioritize the spending,” said Senator Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican who sponsored the amendment.

To contact the reporters on this story: Brian Faler in Washington at bfaler@bloomberg.net; Christopher Stern in Washington at joconnell3@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: February 6, 2009 22:50 EST



To: Mannie who wrote (159946)2/7/2009 12:54:41 AM
From: SiouxPal  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 362350
 
All of those ideas seem to fit for me.