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To: koan who wrote (93960)	2/8/2009 4:46:45 PM
From: Little Joe	1 Recommendation Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116555

"A society can never spend too much on education!!! " We certainly do. The quality of education in America is dismal. In Baltimore and most major cities, which by the way are controlled by liberals and have been for years, many of the children can't read their diplomas. If I recall the figures correctly on any given day 20% of the students do not come to class. There was over 5,000 incidents of violence in the Baltimore School System last year, or maybe it was last semester. ,bold> How do you teach kids that dont come to school, or when they do they beat up the teachers. The State pays for most the education in the City and we spend $13,000.00 per student and they wan't more. The ultra educated geniuses who run the school system in Baltimore City don't even understand that until they solve the attendance and violence problems in the schools they cannot educate anyone. Recenty we had an incident which became national news when a student attacked a student and beat her up. During the confrontation that led up to the incident, which was precipitated by the teacher asking the student to take a seat and the student refulsed. The student threatened the teacher who responded if you hit me I will protect myself. The principal of the school criticized the teacher and said it was this statement by the student which caused the confrontation. These are the people who we are sending our dollars to educate our children. I would not spend a cent on the schools in Baltimore City. I have advocated and continue to advocate a voucher system, but the liberal establishment in Baltimore City continues to resist this, no doubt because of the huge influence in money and campaign workers the teachers provide. When I hear liberals start to address these kinds of problems and come up with solutions to them, I will believe they truly care about the kids' education. Until then I believe it is just politics as usual and don't want to pay for such nonsense. The fact that they wont realize is that the system is broken and no amount of money will solve it. Now Baltimore County and other adjacent counties are going down the same path. Money for quality education is great, but not this crap. lj

To: koan who wrote (93960)	2/9/2009 6:53:44 AM
From: Oblomov	5 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116555

>>Moderates made liberas take out 25 billion for education. that was real smart. >>A society can never spend too much on education!!! They will always get it back in multiples of expenditure! Then why is government required to allocate this $25B to training (education is a greatly misused term), when private allocation decisions have not done so? If the ROI is at least 200% ("we always get it back in multiples of expenditure") on training expenditures, and there is not a diminishing marginal return, then why don't we allocate 100% of GDP to training? If the ROI is >200%, then it is a much more profitable activity than making steel or growing food or whatever. So why shouldn't everyone just get training instead of engaging in other economic activity?