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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (103709)	2/10/2009 11:58:16 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542041

I don't have any problem with the overall policy of California on this score, in so far as I know it. One of the issues that makes it a bit harder to discuss welfare, unemployment benefits, and medicaid is the mix of state and federal obligations, some of which are unfunded from the federal level. I've never taken the time to sort them out simply because I don't have a problem with the overall program. In my view, problems like the octupulets births should be dealt with on a case by case basis rather than a general policy level. Much too easy to get to the point of the state deciding whether folk can have children or not. Not a place I suspect you would want to go.

To: Steve Lokness who wrote (103709)	2/11/2009 4:41:57 AM
From: Cogito	Respond to of 542041

>>I just got into an argument on the phone with my sister on this very issue. Both my sister and you are wrong, but I love my sister dearly so don't take this personal. It isn't this case. It is that this is an example of how far into the welfare State some parts of our country have drifted. That this woman already had disabled children children, but was ALLOWED to have fertility paid for by the State - welfare - even though she already had 6 kids.<< Steve - No, you're wrong. The State of California doesn't have laws on the books to prevent this kind of thing, but I don't believe any state does. After all, who would even imagine a person as crazy as this lunatic mother is? I read that Kaiser is petitioning to have the care of the babies paid for by the State. It isn't a sure thing, and it certainly isn't something that's written into state policy here. I would also be very surprised to learn that fertility treatments are covered by MediCal. Which brings me to another point. You're making a lot of assumptions about what is and isn't in the law in California. I know that there is nothing in California law that says that a person who is on welfare is not allowed to have children. I don't believe there is any state in the union that has such a law. - Allen