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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (103743)	2/11/2009 4:55:38 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542028

>>if you believe that the lady with 14 children is the poster child for a welfare system running amuck That's not what I am saying at all. Of course I realize this is not typical. What I am arguing is that even in its extreme some people defend it.<< Steve - Who the hell is defending this woman? Who is saying the state should pay for this kind of crap? Nobody I've heard or read anything from. With all due respect, I think you're so caught up in your outrage over food stamps and other forms of welfare that you're not really paying attention to what the people who are responding to you are saying. >>I believe liberal democrats who support this extreme cases of welfare are not being pragmatic.<< I believe that liberal democrats who support this kind of thing are fictitious. Now, If you can show me one quotation from somebody saying that this woman has a perfect right to have the state pay for fertility treatments so that she can pump out multiple litters of children and put them immediately on the welfare rolls, I'll admit that I'm wrong. But I don't think I am. - Allen

To: Steve Lokness who wrote (103743)	2/11/2009 11:14:50 AM
From: cnyndwllr	Respond to of 542028

Steve, re: "I am one of loudest supporters of Obama - but as I hear John talk this morning, I'm ready to go back to the republican party. Increasing welfare payments is NOT what Obama promised and it is NOT what I voted for." If the thought of people skating on welfare is your number one, pivotal issue then you might well end up supporting the current Republicans again. Of course you'd have to swallow all that "trickle down" nonsense along with the many "welfare for the rich" programs, the cronyism, the occasional lack of passion for issues that affect everyday Americans, a bellicose foreign policy that is counter productive and costly, defense spending that's often little more than a guarantee of pork projects that benefit huge corporations and specific congressional districts, and, of course, the non pragmatic, non science, non thinking approach to such things as stem cells and teen pregnancy. I'd think that would give you pause, even if you thought Democrats were all for getting a few of the wrong people on the dole. Ed PS, I'm an independent.