To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (155284 ) 2/19/2009 10:33:34 PM From: one_less 1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976 "Why the hell would I want your description...." I can't answer that for you. You have demanded that I publish my real name on numerous occasions. You have asked about my field of work or expertise on more than one. Now I see a demand to post my physical description. None of which is any of your business and I can't explain your motives on various issues, this one included, nor am I interested."Science should not be used to explain or prove faith or ideas" Really? What would you use? I’ve probably written a book just in posts to you over the past few years on this very issue. Recently I posted this to Steve but I think you may have read it also. It can be simple enough for a child to see or complicated enough that 40 scholars would have to collaborate, but the evidence can not be constrained to inapplicable discipline. Humanity does not fit into a test tube nor does one simple idea like truth, compassion, or eternity, nor does a concept like omniscient ... we can however provide convincing evidence of each to sensible creatures but not to a brick wall or a person who is lost in the confusion self inflicted stupor.”We are human beings and must speak from the limited realities of our human condition. There is, however, no reason we should limit ourselves by denying the very essential aspects that make us human. The use of logic, conscious awareness of our moral circumstance, the language and wisdom communicated by our fellow man, the use of abstract thought and symbols for example are natural endowments of humanity. To provide evidence of anything eternal we must speak from our finite and limited condition of humanness. But we have the naturally endowed tools if we choose to use them. For more than one reason natural analogy, symbolic language and parable are used to describe the infinite in finite terms and to make the truth plain to our finite minds. “ Message 25404264