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To: Perspective who wrote (185406)2/20/2009 3:05:18 PM
From: Broken_ClockRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
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is that an inflationary or deflationary J6P?



To: Perspective who wrote (185406)2/20/2009 3:05:38 PM
From: Jim McMannisRespond to of 306849
 
That's a recommend.



To: Perspective who wrote (185406)2/20/2009 3:06:23 PM
From: John KoligmanRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 306849
 
Did anyone catch the news reports on Volcker's speech today? I just caught the tail end of a report where he apparently said something to the effect that 'most of capitalism as it exists today will survive'. Can't find anything on the net about it yet.

Regards,
John



To: Perspective who wrote (185406)2/20/2009 3:12:15 PM
From: ItsAllCyclicalRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 306849
 
People will still have brokerage accounts. Those same people will want to be involved w/brokerage accounts that are not tied to banks/traditional brokerages. I think the discount brokerages that fit this description should survive and continue to take market share. Now will multiples for everything go down? Probably, but I don't see this as a "0" like many other finance firms these days. I'm guessing you feel the same, but who knows.



To: Perspective who wrote (185406)2/20/2009 3:33:40 PM
From: Lizzie TudorRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
don't you think thats already happened? I think the market is sucking wind between the pros short and long trying to outtrade each other. There is no investment going on by individuals anymore. For the small companies I work with, the workers don't even want a 401K unless we can figure out how to invest in hard gold/metals (not the stocks of gold) or real estate. For the REOs we have in the bad parts of town out here there are 40 offers because everybody has cashed out of the markets.



To: Perspective who wrote (185406)2/20/2009 3:48:37 PM
From: ChanceIsRead Replies (3) | Respond to of 306849
 
S&P 500: $16.6 billion in dividend cuts in 1st quarter

>>>In an economic downturn, when pondering if you should buy because P/Es have gotten low, it is often wise to wonder if they start getting big again it might be because the E has gotten smaller.<<<

Dow Jones Industrial Average falls to lowest level since October 2002

By Kate Gibson, MarketWatch

Last update: 3:31 p.m. EST Feb. 20, 2009

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- The stock market's fall Friday had the S&P 500 Index near its bear-market low as companies listed on the broad-market index engaged in another record-breaking quarter of slashed dividends.

After lapsing more than 200 points, the Dow Jones Industrial Average also pared losses, lately off 5.78 points to 773.16, and the Nasdaq Composite shifted to positive turf, up 3.10 points to 1,445.92.

After leading losses earlier on, financials fronted sector gains in afternoon trade, which also had gold futures closing above $1,000 an ounce.

"Given the uncertainty with corporate earnings, gold is one area investors should be looking at to hedge themselves against the perception that the dollar decline is somewhere on the horizon," said Dan Greenhaus, an analyst at Miller Tabak.
Gold is often purchased as a hedge against inflation, which is not an immediate concern, with consumer prices flat for the past 24 months. Read Economic Report.

While inflation could be on the more distant horizon, it is an unlikely cause for concern for near-term investors, analysts said.

"The rational investor is hiding, not investing in gold, money markets and Treasuries -- those harbors of safety represent pent-up demand for stocks," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at Jefferies & Co.

Dividend reductions within the S&P 500 in the fourth quarter of 2008 came to a record $15.9 billion, according to Howard Silverblatt, senior index analyst at Standard & Poor's.
"Now, 50 days into the quarter, the record has already been broken, with 26 issues cutting $16.6 billion," the analyst said, adding that further cuts are expected.
Those cutting dividends in February included motorcycle maker Harley-Davidson Inc.
Conversely, agricultural giant Archer-Daniels Midland Co. beverage giant Coca-Cola Co. all boosted their payouts to investors during the month.

The S&P, trading near its Nov. 20, 2008, low of 752.96, has shed $7.02 billion -- more than half its value -- since its Oct. 9, 2007, highs, said Silverblatt.

Still, he managed to find a silver lining in the losses: "We've already lost more than is left, so things have to be better ahead than behind."

Another positive, according to Jefferies & Co.'s Hogan, is that the once-wide gap between top-down and bottom-up estimates of corporate earnings for 2009 has narrowed, with consensus estimates effectively adjusted to a level "that is probably attainable."

A $60 estimate for 2009, multiplied by 12.5 times, yields a 750 target on the S&P, which is "extremely fairly valued," said Hogan.

Greenhaus instead opted to use an 11 times multiple in light of a more disruptive-than-usual economic contraction, saying $60 times his now-reduced multiple puts the S&P's "fair value" at 660, assuming the multiple and price target hold. End of Story

Kate Gibson is a reporter for MarketWatch, based in New York.