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To: combjelly who wrote (460808)3/3/2009 7:33:16 PM
From: longnshort  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575535
 
September 23, 2008
Obama Using Alinsky's Marxist Tactics: Tells Supporters To Crash McCain Palin Events
Topics: Political News and commentaries

Ever since this guy Barack Hussein Obama came on to the political scene, I've believed, based on his history and having read his books, that he is a dangerous Marxist with a socialist agenda that could damage our capitalism-based economy for years to come. Now we learn that Team Obama is actually using Saul Alinsky's tactics detailed in his book "Rules for Radicals."

From Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs we have this:

Remember Obama told his followers, ' Argue With Your Neighbors and GET IN THEIR FACES!". Enlisting the tacts of his guru Saul Alinksy and commie Frank Marshall - this is Soviet style, fascist tactics to bully the unsuspecting masses into submission. Apparently Obama is telling the leftist lunatics to crash and create chaos at MCain Palin events at the Barack Obama Campaign Website.

Pamela writes that Obama doesn't engage in meaningful discourse, and instead uses the tactics of totalitarian dictators. This, and Obama's absolute willingness to say anything to anyone and anytime just to further his agenda and win power, regardless of whether or not it has any semblance to his true position, makes Obama as dangerous for America as Hugo Chavez has proven to be for Venezuela.

Take for example what we're seeing out of the Obama camp (via Pamela Geller):
This was posted by onemiddleamerican over at Free Republic

Official Obama Campaign Website Announced Protest of McCain-Palin Event in Media, PA 9/22/08 Barack Obama Campaign Website:

Posted by onemiddleamerican There have been several threads on Free Republic about the McCain-Palin campaign event yesterday (September, 22, 2008) in Media, PA; and in each of those threads, people who had been in attendance mentioned that there were Obama supporters there staging a protest. Some FReepers mentioned that the Obama-bots were loudly chanting Obama's name during McCain and Palin's speeches. Others reported that they were shouted at by the Obama people as they left the event venue.

Well, I found out an interesting thing about those Obama protesters while I was searching blogs for photos of McCain and Palin.

A Democrat Committee Person from Franklin Township, PA named Mark Ungemach posted an "event" announcement on Barack Obama's campaign website for this protest. Here is a screen capture of the announcement:

obama_mccainpotest.jpg
(Click image to enlarge)

So, there can be no doubt whatsoever that Obama is indeed a Marxist and is most definitely applying Alinsky's rules!

Interestingly, I have a friend that is an avowed socialist and communist (nice guy, good friend, great sense of humor, but we're absolute opposites socially and politically), and who supports Obama, tells me that Obama has always been a Marxist and he thinks it's funny that so many Americans are supporting him. This guy's a hard worker but he just told me today that if Obama wins he's going to quit work and just live off welfare and Obama's socialist programs.

hyscience.com



To: combjelly who wrote (460808)3/3/2009 7:34:34 PM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 1575535
 
The Alinsky legacy

The jibe about him being a 'community organiser' may come to haunt his opponents: Obama knows how to get things done
Comments (4)

* Dan Plesch
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o Dan Plesch
o guardian.co.uk, Thursday 6 November 2008 10.30 GMT
o Article history

President-elect Obama's political roots are not merely in Chicago but in its Midwest Academy for progressive activists. The academy offers clues to how an Obama administration may work – and for how we can best engage with it. The Midwest Academy's mission is to champion the poor, originally against the power elite of the city that spawned Al Capone. It grew from the pioneering work of Saul Alinsky, whose Industrial Areas Foundation trained many progressive leaders in US politics.

Alinsky's classic text, Rules for Radicals, still offers a practicality and humour, absent from the sour, low-church intellectualism that characterises so much of the European left. Famously, Alinsky's people threatened to occupy the toilets of Chicago's airport as part of a protest against a runway extension that would have flattened their neighbourhood.

I came across Alinsky's work while training as a community worker in Britain, and it remains an inspiration, though tragically neglected in wider politics.

In 1990, Obama contributed a chapter, "Why Organise?", to a book looking at Alinsky's legacy. Such a question would not be likely to appear on the publications list of an aspiring British politician. Here, there is a political class that confines itself to analysis and writing policy papers, organising remains a "below stairs" activity beneath the dignity not only of the Bullingdon club, but also of left-wing intellectuals. When I wrote an organising manual for CND in the 1980s, local activists loved it, but the intellectual left simply could not see the point.

Take a look at the chapter headings of the current edition of Organising for Social Change, the Midwest Academy's manual: Developing a Strategy, Organising Models: The underlying structure of organization, Building and Joining Coalitions, Developing Leadership, Using The Media, Working With Religious Organisations and With Unions, Public Speaking, Working With Community Organisation Boards, On Line Research and Tactical Investigation, Grass Roots Fundraising, Supervision, Administrative Systems and The New Economy.

These are not on the CVs of many UK politicians.

Anyone seeking to understand what Barack Obama will be bringing to the world should get to grips with this thinking, whether one likes it or not. The Midwest Academy approach is no panacea, not least because it is designed for a domestic rather than an international stage, but understanding it will at a minimum provide a basis for analysing Obama's tactics. More optimistically, the Academy's approach offers critical tools for progressive politics, of rather more use, say, than the "nudge" politics, which has been a recent fashion.

Alinsky put it this way:

"The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away. The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive – but real – allies of the Haves … The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means ... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be."

This is a terminology referred to by Michelle Obama in her address to the Democratic national convention.

Those who look to Obama with hope for what he may bring should not treat his presidency as a spectator sport; his opponents certainly will not. Franklin Roosevelt was wont to say, "You've convinced me, now go out and pressure me." Whether the issue is economic justice, climate chaos or the Iranian bomb, the Obama administration will have its work cut out creating a positive dynamic within the still-viciously partisan politics of the United States.

The most difficult task will be not to fall simply in adulation behind the policy that comes from Washington, because it is Obama's. These policies will have been created to manage internal US political dynamics, but they may not be likely to succeed at an international level. Culturally, US liberals can be as arrogant as their conservative opponents.

Engaging with the US as Obama's initiatives emerge will provide the sort of creative challenge many of us never expected. We need to learn from those who taught Obama, not just to understand his approach but so that we can improve our own performance.

For Alinsky, the key was to get the poor into the game. Now, if Obama stays true to his roots, the game will be on: so who wants to play?
guardian.co.uk



To: combjelly who wrote (460808)3/3/2009 7:47:10 PM
From: Tenchusatsu  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1575535
 
CJ, > Look, Shorty posted stories written by whack jobs.

I know, but I thought I'd have a little fun with the word "legitimate." Perhaps "reputable" might have been less susceptible to parody.

I was just thinking about how my wife wants to go into journalism and what a sorry state it's in right now. I was also thinking about how even Obama (or at least his press secretary) is calling out media people by name, such as Rush Limbaugh and Rick Santelli.

Who knows? Maybe Obama can team up with the "Fairness Doctrine" advocates and set up a licensing board for journalists. It shouldn't be too hard for my wife to pass that test. After all, she passed the pharmacy boards, and that's pretty tough.

Tenchusatsu



To: combjelly who wrote (460808)3/3/2009 7:50:12 PM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 1575535
 
Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness,” Alinsky Jr. wrote to the Globe. “It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.

“I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

Did a right wing wacko say this ?



To: combjelly who wrote (460808)3/3/2009 11:15:01 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1575535
 
The Fed Goes for Brokerage

By PETER EAVIS

If you missed the first hedge-fund boom, now may be the time to put up your shingle. Looking at the terms of the Federal Reserve's new Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, investors using it should be able to generate hefty returns with little risk.

The TALF effectively turns the Fed into a generous prime brokerage. The central bank lends money for up to three years to investment firms to buy bonds backed by assets like auto or credit-card loans.

The Fed needs to lure investors back into the market for these asset-backed securities, or ABS, where new issuance has almost disappeared This has led to a contraction in lending to consumers, deepening the recession. In the fourth quarter of 2008, there wasn't any issuance of U.S. credit-card ABS, compared with $23 billion a year before, according to Dealogic.

Buyers have disappeared partly because they can no longer borrow the big sums once used to juice returns on ABS purchases.

The TALF ladles out that leverage, and it may well work in kick-starting the moribund market. For instance, investors can borrow $92 million to buy $100 million of bonds backed with prime auto loans. An investment firm would have levered its equity over 12 times, which could provide annual returns of over 20% on prime-auto ABS assuming no credit impairments.

What's more, the Fed, unlike a bank, won't demand the investor post collateral if the ABS market value falls over the three-year life of the loan.

What could go wrong? There is the risk of political outcry if investors reap massive gains. From a macroeconomic perspective, the TALF could distort the consumer deleveraging necessary for a lasting economic recovery.

Specific to the TALF itself, much depends on getting the pricing right. Hedge funds may want sweet returns, but issuers are going to want to issue at the lowest-possible interest rate. And since plenty issuers can borrow cheaply elsewhere right now, some can hold out and keep loans on their own books.

Lenders also may balk at the fact they can only issue triple-A-rated securities to TALF-funded buyers, meaning they have to retain lower-rated, riskier slices of the bond. That is good because lenders are likely to be more careful when making the loan it will then package up. But it could also hamper their appetite to issue large amounts of securitized product.

Perhaps the biggest risk is that TALF sucks liquidity away from other important segments of the debt markets, like longer-term corporate bonds. The Fed could get round this by broadening the TALF to include more types of assets. But that sucks it ever further into supporting credit markets.

The best outcome is that the TALF acts as a spark to rekindle the broader securitization market. But if credit markets remain sickly, the Fed faces the uncomfortable prospect of being "prime broker" to a huge investor base for years to come.

online.wsj.com