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To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (195)	3/17/2009 9:41:28 PM
From: Broken_Clock	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 290

U were banned for that? Unbelievable. then again...maybe not! I'm having lunch this week with a Jewish friend of mine. He was the kid next door, same age as my daughter. Now he's mid 30's and a Christian but has hard core Zionist views. Hope we don't end up throwing food! -g-

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (195)	3/19/2009 1:26:07 AM
From: LTK007	Respond to of 290

i have ben reporting on my seeing a huge change in the NYT Corespondent Roger Cohen. i have been so amazed i have wondered how many days before NYT fires him. i think NYT most be getting huge pressure and rage from AIPAC. Roger Cohen has BROKEN fron the NYT mold. But they are not stopping his publishing---hmmm i am now see Philip Weiss has picked on what Roger Cohen has been doing. Kep in mind, this has been a masive deviation for Roger Cohen. It stated with his "Eyeless in Gaza" in the NYRB, where he actually said he felt mortified, ashamed, as a jew, for what has been the treatment of Gaza by Israel ********************************************* Roger Cohen again. Stunning, heretical. by Philip Weiss philipweiss.org Brilliant piece by Roger Cohen in today's Times saying, Goddamnit, the Iranians are a lot like us, let's start talking to them. In a word: heretical. A few comments ahead of the excerpt, then more comment below. First, Cohen's view of the pragmatism and democracy of Iran bears out the wonderful piece Mohammad of Vancouver, who is from Iran, wrote on this site a month ago. Also: note the full embrace of Chas Freeman! Finally, note that Cohen is being a broken record on Iran. And this is vital; this is what a columnist should be when he is on to something, repeat himself till all hear him. Cohen [emphases mine]: While Bernard Lewis, in a recent article in Foreign Affairs, posits an epochal clash between “Islamic theocracy and liberal democracy” whose outcome will be decisive, I don’t see any victor in this fight. Rather, a variety of compromises between the two forces will emerge, as in Iran. It is therefore in America’s strong interest to develop relations with the most dynamic society in the region. What autocrats from the Gulf to Cairo fear most is an Iranian-American breakthrough, precisely because it would shake up every cozy, static regional relationship, including Washington’s with Israel... I think pragmatism lies at the core of the revolution’s survival. It led to cooperation with Israel in cold-war days; it ended the Iraq war; it averted an invasion of Afghanistan in 1998 after Iranian diplomats were murdered; it brought post-9/11 cooperation with America on Afghanistan; it explains the ebb and flow of liberalization since 1979; and it makes sense of the Jewish presence. Pragmatism is also one way of looking at Iran’s nuclear program. A state facing a nuclear-armed Israel and Pakistan, American invasions in neighboring Iraq and Afghanistan, and noting North Korea’s immunity from assault, might reasonably conclude that preserving the revolution requires nuclear resolve. What’s required is American pragmatism in return, one that convinces the mullahs that their survival is served by stopping short of a bomb. That, in turn, will require President Obama to jump over his own bonfire of indignation as the Mideast taboos that just caused the scandalous disqualification of Charles Freeman for a senior intelligence post are shed in the name of a new season of engagement and reason. OK. Why is Cohen heretical?** Two reasons. One idealistic, one ambitious. I believe he was deeply moved by Gaza, which shamed him as a Jew, to look again at What Israel has become. He has recognized that Israel's militarism is a huge threat to its neighbors, and this is a theme; it has been since Egypt went nuts in the 60s cause Israel was acquiring nuclear weapons. So Cohen is now using his fine mind in the service of exploring these truths that our national security depends upon. That's the idealism. Ambitious reason. Cohen understands (as Glenn Greenwald and I do too) that These ideas are being mainstreamed. It's taking a while, but Realism with a Human-rights soul is coming in. He wants to be in the van, and write the bestseller that will change Jewish public opinion. It's a big job. Someone's gonna do it. Is Cohen too early? Has he spent his journalistic capital on a stock that won't surge for another five years? I don't think so. Posted by Philip Weiss at 11:22 AM in Gaza, Iran, Journalism, Neocons, Religion \| Permalink

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (195)	3/20/2009 10:45:31 AM
From: LTK007	1 Recommendation Respond to of 290

Obama speech today to Iran nothing but Bush'es message delivered in with a syrupy sweet tongue of a skilled propagandist, that being Obama. The condescending "Wise American President talking to inferior child that does not OBEY the WILL of Israel and The U.S. administration will be dealt with harshly by we the superior people" will only anger Iranian people . But because Americans are essentially RACIST against Iran, Obama will get away wiuth this. i charge all those that smear those opposed to those that defend Iran and and the Palestinians as in truth to but represent the RACISM called American/Israeli Exceptionalism Obama message has NOT changed from Bush, cease and desist your producing Uranium for Nuclear Power(as in Nuclear Plants for energy) and cease supporting the evil enemies of the Glorious State of Israel, Hezbollah and Hamas, and learn to behave yourself and THINK right thought, which is to American Business and recognize the that Israel deseves the land of the Palestinians becase The Europeans killed 6 million Jews , you Palestinians must be sacrificed for the Crimes of the Western World. Why, because, eventough we were the primary cause of the world losing 45% of all its wealth in past18 months, and even though we utterly destroyed Iraq, and did many many crimes against humanity, and have supported to the extreme the destruction of the freely elected party of Hamas in Palestine and supported the massive bombing of Israel of Lebanon, we, both the U.S. and beloved Israel, are a superior people. Disgusted am i. Max