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To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (118017)	3/19/2009 12:04:34 PM
From: Knighty Tin	Respond to of 132070

It is funny that the Roman Church has taken the anti birth control stance. The great spokesmen for Christian ideas, Jesus and Paul, advised against having children. And only getting married to avoid sin. Most churches have ignored the ideas of Jesus as being too radical, but most pay attention to Paul, as he was more of a common sense tent seller. But they buy into the idea of women having to wear hats in church (which Paul probably did not really say, as it looks like an add-on to his letter), but not in avoiding bringing children into the world. And I have a pretty good idea that both would be negative about contracting aids.

To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (118017)	3/23/2009 10:51:10 AM
From: Freedom Fighter	Respond to of 132070

I understand that the culture in the U.S. has been so extremely warped by the left (especially the Hollywood left) that it seems irrational to be against condoms, but it's actually quite sensible from a moral perspective. The basic premise is that premarital sex, promiscuity, certain sex acts etc... are immoral partly because they increase the probability of bad outcomes like disease, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, poverty, single parent households with inadequately cared for children, crime, loveless relationships etc... So the Church teaches that you shouldn't do these things. The prevailing rational view is that people are going to do these things anyway, so we need to protect them from these bad outcomes with condoms etc.... Even though that is sensible and rational, if a Church did it it would certainly not be a MORAL view. That would be like a tacit approval of the sins, sinners, bad outcomes etc... and a willingness to accommodate them to avoid the consequences of the sins. That would be a preposterous teaching if your goal is to encourage better and moral behavior that produces superior outcomes. The left cannot understand things like this because most have such twisted brains concepts like morality and superior behavior are incomprehensible. Everything is equal in that twisted world. To the creators and sellers of violent, sex filled, and perverted entertainment the typical justification is that they are just filling a market demand or that values are subjective. That's a twisted point of view! Kids want to eat ice cream every day but good parents make them eat vegetables, protein, and a balanced diet because we are responsible and caring individuals etc... We teach them right from wrong and hope they listen because we know right from wrong based on results. Lots of adults are just like kids. They want to do lots of things that are bad for them like smoking, taking drugs, drinking excessively, gambling irresponsibly, viewing and participating in perverse and dangerous sex acts etc... If deep down inside you are rational enough to understand that what you are selling is bad for those consuming it (and perhaps some are too twisted to know that), then you should be rational enough to know that you are a scumbag. All that said, the average Christian engages in pre marital sex, non traditional sex acts, watches porn from time to time, gambles, drinks, and otherwise doesn't pay much attention to what the Pope has to say on these issues. Most do these things responsibly, but some don't. However, there is nothing irrational about what the Pope is teaching them. As a religious leader (as opposed to a health care worker) he's 100% right. If he changed his point of view and started handing out condoms I would be certain he was either possessed by Satan or pretty much as twisted on the issues of morality as the left. That is, he has no moral compass at all. The Pope should be encouraging moral behavior and caring for the sick that don't listen to him. The health care industry should be handing out condoms because we all know that many people won't listen to him. The key point is that the Pope is not encouraging unsafe sex as part of his anti-condom stance. He is enouraging superior behavior, but it takes a brain and moral compass to understand that. Unfortunately, our culture has lost its way and has way too little of both.