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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Road Walker who wrote (6447)3/24/2009 3:48:32 PM
From: John Koligman2 Recommendations  Respond to of 42652
 
Gee how nice of them <ggg>. I'm sure they are doing it 'for the American people'. Obama's election already having an impact. I'd fall over if they next said they wouldn't gouge Americans as they got older (my self paid premium just went up 20% because of my birthday)..

Regards,
John



To: Road Walker who wrote (6447)3/24/2009 4:35:53 PM
From: i-node2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42652
 
>> Insurers offer to stop charging sick people more

It underscores the point I've made here time and again -- the people who aren't insured are mostly people who CHOOSE not to be because they're healthy and they deem it to be a waste of money.

Why, hell yes. Why WOULDN'T the insurance companies want to insure a bunch of people who aren't sickly? It is free money!

There are far more who opt out of insurance than there are who are denied insurance.

There is no free ride.



To: Road Walker who wrote (6447)3/24/2009 4:44:48 PM
From: Joe NYC4 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 42652
 
RW,

For the first time, the health insurance industry is offering to curb its controversial practice of charging higher premiums to sick people.

Let me explain to you what this will mean.

1. In order to cover sick people and charge them the same as healthy people, they have to substantially increase the premiums on the healthy people.

2. Once the healthy people receive the shock of the premium increase (doubling or tripling of rates on young people), the healthy young people will drop their coverage.

3. Without young healthy people subsidising older and sick, premiums have to go up again, causing more people to be unable to afford their coverage and drop their coverage.

This the best example of liberal good intentions gone wrong. You start with a "problem" a sick person unable to get coverage, you end up with 100x people without coverage...

How do I know this? New York State made it a law few years ago.

Joe



To: Road Walker who wrote (6447)3/25/2009 11:23:06 AM
From: John Koligman1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42652
 
I still can't understand how the insurance industry can 'suddenly' end the practice of gouging (ops, sorry, charging) higher premiums for sick people. What on earth has changed over the past few months?? Now all of sudden they are 'willing' to accept strict regulation on this in order to make a public system 'unnecessary'? Once again, I'm sure they have our best interests (as always) in mind... Amazing <ggg>... The Times had a piece on this 'sea change' today...

Regards,
John

March 25, 2009 NY Times

Health Insurers Ease Stance on Pre-Existing Conditions By ROBERT PEAR

WASHINGTON —The health insurance industry said Tuesday that it was willing to end the practice of charging higher premiums to sick people if Congress adopted a comprehensive plan that provided coverage to all Americans.

The industry’s flexible position on the issue came as a surprise to lawmakers, and could make it easier to reach an agreement in Congress because it narrows the issues on which insurers are ready to fight the Democrats who control Congress and the White House.

Insurers said they were still staunchly opposed to creation of a new government-run health insurance plan, which, under many Democratic proposals, would compete directly with private insurers.

In effect, insurers said they were willing to discard an element of their longstanding business model, under which insurance policies are priced, in part, on the basis of a person’s medical condition or history.

In the past, insurers have warned that if they could not consider a person’s health in setting premiums, the rates charged to young, healthy people would soar, making coverage unaffordable.

But Karen M. Ignagni, president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, a major trade group, told lawmakers on Tuesday that insurers were exploring ideas to prevent such increases by spreading the risks and costs across a larger population of both healthy and unhealthy people.

Insurers said that they could accept more aggressive regulation of not just their premiums but also their benefits, underwriting practices and other activities. Such strict regulation, they said, would make a new public program unnecessary.

The insurers set forth their position at a Senate hearing on Tuesday and in letters to the Democratic chairmen and senior Republican members of the two Senate committees primarily responsible for health care legislation.

The letters were signed by Ms. Ignagni and Scott P. Serota, president of the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association.

Senator Jeff Bingaman, Democrat of New Mexico, who presided over the hearing, welcomed the insurers’ position.

“It was a significant step for them to take,” Mr. Bingaman said in an interview. “That’s certainly not been their position in previous years. I hope it moves us closer to something that we could label a consensus.”

Senator Max Baucus, the Montana Democrat who is chairman of the Finance Committee, also welcomed the insurers’ stance. “It indicates that we may be able to have health care reform this year because the major players are stepping up and saying they are willing to play,” Mr. Baucus said.

Sandy Praeger, the Kansas insurance commissioner, who testified Tuesday on behalf the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, said the companies were taking “a very good step in the right direction.”

“As we move toward getting everybody covered,” Ms. Praeger said, “we have to get rid of health status as a rating factor.”

Regulation of premiums in the individual insurance market varies among states. Premiums for a person with a history of serious illness are often 50 percent higher than premiums for younger, healthier people — if the sick people can get coverage at all, she said.

In November, two weeks after the presidential election, the industry said it could support legislation requiring insurers to accept all applicants, regardless of illness or disability. In return, the industry said, Congress should require all Americans to have coverage.

At that time, the industry pointedly refused to say whether it would accept stricter regulation of its rates, to limit the variation in premiums.

In their letter to Congress, Ms. Ignagni and Mr. Serota said that if Congress enacted an enforceable requirement for everyone to carry health insurance, “we could guarantee issue of coverage with no pre-existing condition exclusions and phase out the practice of varying premiums based on health status in the individual market.”

However, the two executives said that insurers wanted to retain the right to charge different premiums based on the age, place of residence and family size of subscribers.