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To: koan who wrote (95744)3/25/2009 11:06:58 PM
From: John Metcalf2 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116555
 
"And you want the people who thought denyng the vote to women, and segregating blacks and whites, running around free-lol?"

Yes! I want ALL PEOPLE running around free. If Individual freedom is not pre-eminent, from what logic does any other freedom devolve?

Addenda to my ideas of individual freedom: as Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence (not in the Constitution): "All men (people) are endowed by their creator" literally means what it says. "All people" means all races, both genders (and those in between), all lifestyles, all philosophies, all economic circumstances, all social strata.

The application of "All people are endowed by their creator" is philosophical, not political, and that is why I point to the distinction between the Declaration and the Constitution. Constitutional rights only belong to citizens, and are a subset of the philosophical universal rights that Jefferson described.



To: koan who wrote (95744)3/25/2009 11:55:08 PM
From: Little Joe6 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555
 
Koan:

There you go again calling names for totally unjustified reasons.

In you post you wrote " This tribe is a democracy ahd has priority over your individual rights"

I was simply pointing out the inconsistency of that statement with prior positions you have made and beliefs I knew you to hold.

Specifically I wrote:

"Does this apply to court enforced gay marriage against the will of the people. Do the people or the Courts have the right to decide whether abortion is legal and under what circumstance. What about the myriad Liberal Supreme Court Decisions which have overturned democratically enacted laws"

I guess you don't see the inconsistency of your positions.

Somehow from this question you have chosen to falsely brand me as being opposed to civil right s for blacks and women.

What world do you live in? I really don't mind you expressing your opinions but I strongly resent your constant implications that those who differ with you and present well reasoned differences are morally beneath you because you deem yourself to be so compassionate and caring and "civilized".

lj