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To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (466639)	3/26/2009 6:00:52 PM
From: i-node	1 Recommendation Respond to of 1574727

SS has run over $3 trillion in surpluses since 1983 yet he claims SS to be one of the biggest culprits in our debt, almost all of which has been accrued since 1983. What's the accounting behind that illogic? An ignorant douchebag like yourself presuming to challenge something I said? You're right down there with bentway and Michael. Don't waste your time.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (466639)	3/26/2009 6:06:35 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1574727

"stupidest" Is that even a word?

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (466639)	3/26/2009 6:09:43 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574727

"SS has run over $3 trillion in surpluses since 1983 yet he claims SS to be one of the biggest culprits in our debt, almost all of which has been accrued since 1983. What's the accounting behind that illogic?" Well, Dave's point is that money hasn't been SAVED, but has been BLOWN, by presidents of both parties, so, it's not like the MONEY's there - it's just a bunch of pitiful IOU's. I agree with that. Part of the debt IS those IOU's. He just doesn't seem to get that we don't owe it all right NOW. Dave's a treasure. He's like a real-life Stephen Colbert, the most cartoonish, outrageous, extreme right wingnut you could possibly imagine, only for REAL. He's one of the reasons I hang on this thread, just to get the daily tickle he gives me.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (466639)	3/26/2009 6:29:00 PM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1574727

SS has run over $3 trillion in surpluses since 1983 yet he claims SS to be one of the biggest culprits in our debt, almost all of which has been accrued since 1983. What's the accounting behind that illogic? His point is unfunded liabilities, which as you note have nothing to do with the current debt, since we have not incurred the "unfunded" expense yet. In the strictest sense, we could abolish (hyperbole on my part) the programs and the problem is gone. Of course this is not going to happen, so rationally speaking, we will have to reform the programs, probably through a combination of higher taxation and reduction of benefits, and again the problem will be solved. He's a demagogue...he hates anything that requires the country to behave like a unit...social programs at the top of the list...so he exaggerates anything he writes on the topic. Notice that he won't tell you how these social problems should be addressed...his mind doesn't work that way...he has health care and that's all that matters to him. Al