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To: Oral Roberts who wrote (439)	4/3/2009 1:00:16 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23934

the global warming here in socal is brutal....it was freakin cold this morning!!.. and at our baseball game on Wednesday everyone dressed in light clothing and all the women were sportin high beams....hmmm, there may be an advantage to colder weather afterall... on the painting white thing.....the product I sell is installed outdoors and often in very hot locations. We were having some internal heat issues when it was a matte dark grey enclosure...when we painted it white, internal temp dropped by 10deg F.

To: Oral Roberts who wrote (439)	4/3/2009 7:08:14 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	Respond to of 23934

It goes back to the fact that ANY type of energy has liabilities. If we truly want to be a gree society, we are going to need to go back to an agrarian society. Unfortunately, we have a couple hundred million too many people to be supported by an agrarian society. But that's what truly being green means. Coal/Fossil fuels - we know what the problem is there Nuclear - There's that fuckin china syndrome problem. Or "blinky" the fish in the Springfield Nuclear Plant's cooling pond. Biomass - it's worse than coal/fossil fuels Hydroelectric (dams) - serious environmental issues both upstream and downstream. Hydroelectric (tidal) - Fish, seals, porpoises and Whales, oh my! Wind - sensitive environmental areas, birds. Flakey source of energy Solar - sensitive environmental areas, predictably flakey source of energy (it sucks at night!). Every source of energy has benefits and every source has liabilities. Sen Dianne Feinstein objected to both solar and wind generation plants in the Mojave desert. She's against fossil fuels. She's against any disturbance of the coastline (oil drilling, hydroelectric, windfarms). At her website, the only thing that she didn't seem to be against is nuclear. Actually, I don't know if she is for it or against it because she doesn't really mention it. ========================================== US groups say vast areas off-limits to clean energy Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:41am BST uk.reuters.com SAN FRANCISCO, April 1 (Reuters) - Environmental groups on Wednesday released maps of the U.S. West with vast areas that they said should be off-limits for renewable energy projects. President Barack Obama backs plans to ramp up the country's renewable energy infrastructure, but environmentalists fear that a boom in solar and wind energy could endanger wildlife. By showing where development should not go, The Path to Green Energy project "is intended to be very favorable to mapping the path to green energy," said Phil Kavits, spokesman for the National Audubon Society, which issued the maps along with the National Resources Defense Council. The western United States is home to sunny deserts and windy plains -- but also many endangered or threatened species. The maps can save time and energy for developers in the siting and permitting process, said Johanna Wald, senior attorney for the National Resources Defense Council. "Developers have regularly come to me and said please, tell me where we should not go," said Wald. The maps cover 13 Western states and show legally prohibited sites, such as national parks, and areas that are key wildlife habitats -- where environmentalists might put up a fight with developers. For instance, Audubon has mapped breeding areas for sage-grouse in Wyoming. Wald cautioned that the maps were only a first step for developers and that other areas could be declared off limits. "We are not greenlighting development in areas that are left on our map," Wald said. In March, Senator Dianne Feinstein said she would introduce legislation to protect 600,000 acres (240,000 hectares) of former railroad lands from development, setting the stage for a potential battle with developers. The maps were developed with funds from Google Inc's (GOOG.O) philanthropic arm, google.org. They can be found here and work with the Google Earth program. (Reporting by Peter Henderson and Bernie Woodall; editing by Mohammad Zargham)