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To: one_less who wrote (34589)	4/3/2009 5:01:16 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71588

All such lies are under oath, the oath of office. Violating the oath of office isn't as far as I know an actual legal violation (it could be used as part of an argument for impeachment but not for prosecution). You might say "change the laws", but the oaths are rather vague, and if you change them to make them more specific than they don't cover as much. The idea with the law is state some very specific X as prohibited and then prosecute someone for violating it. You seem to want to prosecute political dishonesty but that's a rather nebulous concept most of the time. Politicians shade the truth without outright lying, or the do or would claim to actually believe what they said even if its nonsense (and this claim may even be an honest one). Even within the specific setting of a court room with specific sworn testimony most perjury goes unprosecuted. Its really hard to legally enforce honesty, and the attempt may do more to set up political which hunts than actually reduce dishonesty. This is a proposal that Congress and the Admin set direction for types of cases but the AT can determine the merit of prosecuting particular case "The AT?" What I suggested was 'by petition'. If you mean votes on the issue than its impractical, there are too many decisions, also it might make the decisions more partisan. If you really mean by petition that might be even more partisan than voting, and how do translate the petitions in to actual prosecutions? If few people use the petition process do you just refrain from prosecuting? If you collect a bunch of signatures do you harrass people in borderline cases? I could ask more questions but maybe it would be better if you laid out the basic process first.

To: one_less who wrote (34589)	9/29/2009 5:44:34 PM
From: Peter Dierks	1 Recommendation Respond to of 71588

Absentee ballot fraud in Troy, NY Dem, Working Families, and ACORN officials implicated Posted by Soren Dayton (Profile) Tuesday, September 29th at 9:30AM EDT Every once in a while Democrats and the media assert that there’s never any election fraud or that it rarely results in cast votes. This is false. My favorite example is the 2003 Democratic Mayoral primary in which 32 people were convicted of voter fraud(http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/article_53431e5c-3877-597b-b9af-cfc07cc42a24.html), and the election was subsequently thrown out by the court. It turns out that the Troy, NY municipal elections are highly contested this year. And when elections are close, and especially in primaries, the stakes get high. And the fraud starts. In this case, the fraud was over the Working Families line. And the ballots themselves explicitly link the fraud to Democratic Party officials and Working Family Party officials to that fraud. From the Albany Times Union: Documents at the county Board of Elections show the fraudulent ballots were handled by or prepared on behalf of various elected officials and leaders and operatives for the Democratic and Working Families parties. A Troy housing authority employee, Anthony Defiglio, who sources said oversees vacant properties for the Troy Housing Authority, also handled many of the fraudulent ballots, according to public records and interviews with voters who said they were duped. Victor Gonzalez, a resident of Griswold Heights, told the Times Union he was visited several weeks ago by Defiglio and another man who asked him to sign an absentee ballot application. Gonzalez is registered on the WFP line. But Gonzalez, like many other people interviewed, never saw, signed or submitted the absentee ballot later filed at the Board of Elections under his name. Also, someone else wrote on the Gonzalez’s ballot application that he couldn’t vote in person because of a work conflict. ”I’ve been out of work for about six to eight months. I’ve been laid off and looking for work,” he said. Now Erick has been on a tear about Bertha Lewis, the CEO of ACORN, the former head of NY ACORN, and the Co-chair of the New York Working Families Party. ACORN has regularly been accused of fraud and there seem to be significant convictions every year, but they just through the staff under the bus. In this case, it seems it goes up into WFP leadership. How do we know? Read on for the answer. We know because the applications say so: Some of the suspicious absentee ballots list Defiglio as the person who could pick it up for the voter. Residents of Griswold Heights said he is a familiar figure around those complexes. Other ballots were handled by, or returnable to, Democratic or WFP party officials, or candidates for citywide office, including: Troy Council President Clement Campana; City Clerk William McInerny; Councilman Gary Galuski; Rensselaer County WFP Chairman James Welch; council candidates Michael LoPorto and Kevin McGrath; and Tom Aldrich, a LoPorto campaign volunteer. Next time a Democratic operative or a reporter tell you that there’s no such thing as voter fraud, send them this story too. Here at Redstate, we are looking forward to covering the trial and convictions. redstate.com