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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6876)4/3/2009 11:33:22 PM
From: Sam  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 86356
 

Listen MM, Methane is up to 21 times more potent a GG than CO2.

Actually, methane is more potent than that. Its global warming potential (GWP) is somewhere between 62 and 72 (I've seen both numbers in reputable sources), averaged over 20 years. For example:

Methane is a relatively potent greenhouse gas with a high global warming potential of 72 (averaged over 20 years) or 25 (averaged over 100 years).[1] Methane in the atmosphere is eventually oxidized, producing carbon dioxide and water. As a result, methane in the atmosphere has a half life of seven years (if no methane were added, then every seven years, the amount of methane would halve).

en.wikipedia.org

Adding in the number of years is important because its residence time in the atmosphere is much less than CO2--the above passage says 7 years, I've read in other places 10-12 years, but whatever--the exact amounts don't matter so much because we don't even really know how much methane is around. Huge stores of it are at the bottom of oceans, stored in frozen clathrates in seabeds and in permafrost. The biggest danger we face w/r/t climate change is the oceans warming up enough so that those stores of methane are released. If it happens, it could cause abrupt climate change that would end the world as we know it. It is unlikely to occur anytime in the next couple of centuries, but it is a worst case scenario that we should do whatever we can to avoid.
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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6876)4/4/2009 7:03:45 AM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 86356
 
Hawk, you aren't doing the math, and as such, your conclusions are erroneous.

CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere are around 384 parts per million, whereas Methane concentrations are around 1,800 parts per BILLION.
cdiac.ornl.gov

So if methane is 21 times as bad as CO2, as you claim, then it still is insignificant in comparison to CO2 due the fact that CO2 concentrations are an order of magnitude higher than methane in the atmosphere.