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To: O'Hara who wrote (9122)	10/27/1997 1:18:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

I would be very happy too. First understand that I am not "spiritual" or "religious". I just love God. I have seen so many real miracles I can no longer recount them all, and believe that the less we say about what we have had a hand in, the more we are allow to have a hand in even greater things. Therefore, I use the language I use with my closest brothers and sisters. Things like "it seems insane that God would bring us back here." Yes, it does. After what He went through here, I wouldn't think He would want to come back. And after going through what it takes to make it to heaven--including the miracle of ever listening to those who are witnessing to you in the first place--it seems that the very last possible idea Jesus would have in the eternal plan would be to come back here. It seems logical that those living in a manner that would grant them entrance to heaven in the first place would simply "go to heaven". But that is not what the Bible says, and after I hated the idea and was hoping it was all a semantic mistake, now I think otherwise. Since we "put on the mind of Christ" I have to trust that SOME of my thoughts come from him, and I see something rather awesomely wonderful in the concept of living here with Jesus finally being the King of the Kings and the Lord of the Lords and enjoying His own creation. If that is to be, I think it is utterly perfect. That we "would be dragged back here". It's just colorful talk. I have had several dead serious conversations about the l000 year reign of Jesus Christ on earth again, and that is what I always said. I'd have to be dragged back. I know this sounds blaphemous, but I believe the Lord rather enjoys human company, not programmed card readers. I remember James Robison, who I really, really love as a brother in Christ, preaching, and he said, "You know what? Jesus thinks I'm funny. He really does." I knew exactly what he meant. He meant that in his prayers and communications on a daily basis he and the Lord enjoy Jame's humor. Where do you think we get our sense of humor? From Satan? "Dragging us back here" means just me. I've had a lot of trouble being able to cope with the suffering of people, animals and even plants, and it's only just beginning. The Lord has warned me to get ready, because there is even more as we know, and what damage has been done so far has almost been as much as I can take. And being an historian, well, history is a very frightening place. Many people have had very unpleasant things happen to them and then they died very unpleasant deaths. Yes. That bothers me. It seems unfair. My first thought was being here 1000 years with all the animals killed to extinction and billions of tons of garbage and pollution, well, truly the idea seemed "insane" and I was sure there was some mistake. The Lord knows exactly what I'm talking about and at this point in time I feel completely happy with my communications with Him, and do not in any way feel that He is particularly displeased with my horror of the present condition of the Earth. Obviously if this is true, as written in the word, then there will be changes of some kind. I'm sure the Lord would not want to be here either if it were to be in this condition or worse. Something would have to change, because the Earth at present is like a vandalized home. It just has almost been ruined. If you don't agree, then maybe we live in different dimensions of space and time. (smile)

To: O'Hara who wrote (9122)	10/27/1997 1:42:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

Ah, but the most interesting of all to me is to discuss "so disappointing from Heaven's point of view." Yes. I believe it has been very disappointing from Heaven's point of view. We are now almost reaching the immoral excesses on a world-wide scale as the city of Sodom and Gormorrah. I neither think about it or speak about it, because as Paul said it is not right to even discuss it. There have been isolated decades in history where I believe God was very pleased and had a lot of people who loved him and very sweet and wonderful people lived sweet and wonderful lives. I spend a lot of time studying history, and graduated from George Washington with a major in American and European history as a prep for the foreign service, which never happened. At this point in time I certainly don't plan to defend my view of the sweep of history. It is to gag. I also would like to apologize for sharing with you the experience my friend at work had. He was a little disappointed, and said that he had hardly ever told anyone that experience because it is so sacred to him. He rather felt like I was "casting his pearls before swine" was his statement, and even after I described the thread and said it was only for real Christians who really loved God, he still seemed disappointed, and that made me feel all the worse about it as I realize some of the people who read this thread might actually believe that at death God "stores" people in a state of darkness somewhere until He is ready to bring them back to consciousness. Sorry. Don't buy that. Believe in the beautiful "holding place" that some people are blessed to see. They see it to bring back the story. But it was not my place to tell without asking first, and so I won't do anything like that again. And Shalom, as I told you, Jane isn't my real name. I don't think Shalom is your real name either, but Shalom is wonderful. Being called Jane so much is getting to be weirdly amusing. What I would like to know is what you think of the exact translation of the words I referred to. Could they possibly mean anything but the exact words they refer to? I think not, but then I'm into the exact meaning of words, where the Bible is concerned, and feel that personal interpretation leads off into the bushes. The bushes are dangerous.