To: ManyMoose who wrote (300052 ) 4/8/2009 12:24:40 PM From: TimF 2 Recommendations Respond to of 793955 The disciplinary process for teachers seems to be rather messed up. Teachers get in serious trouble for things like this. But at the same time they can't be fired, except after going through a very long and expensive process, if they commit actual crimes or other serious dereliction of their job responsibilities and duties to their kids.commongood.org Message 24445849 Of course this process does to an extent protect people like Ting-Yi Oei, but it only keeps them from getting fired, it doesn't treat them fairly or rationally, while at the same time it also keeps drug dealing teachers or teachers who sexually harass or abuse kids on the payroll for a long time. --- "...The regulations are so onerous that principals rarely even try to fire a teacher. Most just put the bad ones in pretend-work jobs, or sucker another school into taking them. (They call that the "dance of the lemons.") The city payrolls include hundreds of teachers who have been deemed incompetent, violent, or guilty of sexual misconduct. Since the schools are afraid to let them teach, they put them in so-called "rubber rooms" instead. There they read magazines, play cards, and chat, at a cost to New York taxpayers of $20 million a year. Once, Klein reports, the school system discovered that a teacher was sending sexual e-mails to a 16-year-old student. "This was the most unbelievable case to me," he says, "because the e-mail was there, he admitted to it. It was so thoroughly offensive." Even with the teacher's confession, it took six years of expensive litigation before the school could fire him. He didn't teach during those six years, but he still got paid—more than $350,000 total..."reason.com