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To: one_less who wrote (469976)4/8/2009 11:39:44 PM
From: SilentZ  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574333
 
>It is only an attempt to deny straights what they can't have as gays... I do see what straights and society lose by that.

I still don't get it...

-Z



To: one_less who wrote (469976)4/9/2009 4:30:02 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574333
 
The honored institution of marriage provides a sense of meaning and motivation to people who value a definition of community built of family and the core values that embody that. It provides a clear and decent avenue to replace societal members who are raised and educated according to the family and community values that help to define a principled life and society at large.

These are all values that are espoused and valued by gays. Why not? They were raised in this society.

There are other ways to do that but traditional core families is a tried and true method. It provides the expectation of a shared and complimentary nurturing of individuals who would be strong enough and competent enough to replace existing members, and to promote the values structure for generations to come. There is nothing dishonorable about any of that and no one is excluded. It is an open invitation to participate according to the qualifiers, mature adult human beings who choose to start and promote that lifestyle. Other options are available, stay single, live in adult groupings, etc etc. As much as single people complain that it isn't fair for married people to have such a rich and rewarding life, calling singles married or calling other groupings married does not make them the same or offer the same rewards. Single people have other rewards, more free independent time etc. As much as gays complain about straights having something different, calling themselves married does not make them the same as straights, nor does it offer the same rewards. It is only an attempt to deny straights what they can't have as gays.

You are providing the kind of rationalizing used by racists in the past to explain why minorities should perfer to live with their own kind and have separate facilities. We've come a long way since those days. You need to catch up.

But when you try to deny my right to an identity, because they don't like the stigma of their difference, you offend me.

Sorry that you are offended but no one is denying your right to get married. In fact, its the reverse. YOU are denying the right of gays to get married.



To: one_less who wrote (469976)4/9/2009 11:03:38 PM
From: Steve Dietrich1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574333
 
It is only an attempt to deny straights what they can't have as gays.

This is the way of bigots throughout history:

Demonize the people whose civil rights you wish to deny. Claim they are indecent, hateful, impugn their motives, claim that you, the one with all the civil rights are under attack from them.

I've got news for you. You're not under attack. You're just a bigot trying to rationalize your bigotry and deny civil rights to your fellow Americans.

SD