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To: Dale Baker who wrote (108059)	4/9/2009 11:37:51 AM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541345

The holes in your experience are evident - moderate christian religious folks condemn acts not people (can't say the same for Obama's old church) - nor for muslim faiths, they seem to be rife with prescribed punishments. I get your point, but I guess I'm basing my views on personal experiences with religious folks who I consider "reasonable" people - not zealots.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (108059)	4/9/2009 12:51:47 PM
From: JeffA	Respond to of 541345

The religious refuse to accept the coexistence of those they condemn as wrong yet they demand total respect for their views and lifestyles because they are rooted in a divine message. What a sweeping total BS generalization. "View from the Center?" HA! I believe in God, I believe Jesus is our Savior and you just said because of that, I refuse to accept the mere coexistence of those I condemn as wrong?! BS

To: Dale Baker who wrote (108059)	4/9/2009 10:12:58 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541345

Secular fundamentalism has also become its own faith with harsh doctrines, practicing intolerance for dissent. It's narrow minded to suggest, because the Bible views homosexuality as a sin, that faith alone is being used to advance a political agenda. That's like saying while fighting segregation, Reverend Martin Luther King used faith to advance a political agenda because he quoted scripture. Civil rights was not a political agenda anymore than protecting the traditional family is a political agenda. They are both deep moral values. Politics is nothing more than society applying its moral values in a practical way. Without politics, citizens who disagree with one another would resort to guns and knives. To a large degree, it depends on treating others we disagree with respectfully. Too often, the left labels those who oppose homosexual marriage as prejudiced bigots, or intolerant religious nut-cases. But they are entitled to their beliefs, just as supporters of homosexual marriage are to theirs. It shouldn't matter whether the source of someones moral compass is the Bible, Karl Marx, the back of a cereal box or someones inner conscience. The values should be based on their merit. Some may argue, living in a healthy society with a long-term future is more valuable than living in a doomed one. And the acceptance of homosexual marriage will, in time, worsen the quality of life. We know AIDS is a real danger, especially to men. We know gay couples cannot reproduce. And we have a sense that not experiencing the wonders of intimate contact with the opposite sex, can lesson someones life experience. This line of thinking appears more reasonable than Gaia being destroyed by Global Warming. Yet, we accept the intolerance of environmental extremists when making their case. It seems to me no one one really knows with any degree of certainly whether homosexual marriage is a good or a bad thing for society. It's not as if a long term study has been conducted that meets the rigors of sociological research. We have some anecdotal evidence on both sides. We have history as a guide, and we have conjecture based on emotion with a lot of demeaning labels tossed around.