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To: d[-_-]b who wrote (108136)4/10/2009 8:36:27 AM
From: JeffA  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541457
 
that for years gay comics made fun of as something they're glad they do not have to endure. Civil unions already cover the legal points - now it's a fight over words.


DING DING DING another winner.

They want the WORD marriage in addition to the same legal status. Hate to say it, but as it was traditionally defined, it does not apply to same sex unions.



To: d[-_-]b who wrote (108136)4/10/2009 9:41:01 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541457
 
Well if it's such a "manufactured institution" I guess it's really not that important. So we can either all be married by the state, or none of us need to be. You can't have it both ways. Either it's important ( and SO important to keep "pure" that you need to exclude gays), or it's "just" a small manufactured institution based on religion- (which thus has zero reason to be presided over by the state- which I do not think is in the bar mitzvah and confirmation business- to name two other religious manufactured rights of passage)

Of course it's a fight over words. Labels are important. Who wants to be called a "racist" or a "pedophile"- even if they aren't one. What you call things, and how you group people, matters. That's why it pisses people off to be labeled (even sometimes when you label them correctly.)

Of course they made fun of marriage. What else can you do when people hate you and discriminate against you? You try to find a way to live with it. That discriminated people may find ways to live with their persecution is NOT an excuse for continuing the persecution- at least I don't find it to be one.

And while your defense of inequality is certainly creative, it is neither convincing, compassionate, nor legal, imo.