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Politics : Evolution -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (2453)	4/13/2009 1:11:36 AM
From: LLCF	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

<Meanwhile kids get taught bogus fake science stuff about black and gray moths etc and told we know exactly how life got to be how it is ... its a fact! Meanwhile we don't know sh*t. > You're right that we dont' know shit about the mechanism... but when it comes to evolution WE DO KNOW IT HAPPENS! The fact that you don't like one study is your problem. Hell, there are dozens of species that will have different morphologies from one generation to the next just based on their surrounding environment! You can WATCH IT! If anything scientists UNDERESTIMATE the power and speed of evolution, as evidenced by version 3, 4, or even 5 of various anti-biotics that the little buggers are evolving around. <The more I learn, the more I think we should ban teaching of anything about evolution at all outside of say college level biochemistry classes. Darwin, Lamarck, .... Margulis ... all very different ideas. > That's interesting... I have the opposite feeling for the same reason. Darwin, Lamark, Margulis... that's all pretty much beside the point if you're talking about basic evolution vs creationism... ie. organisms have changed over time or not. So I'm fine with evolution in the classroom for kids, in fact, it's a basic part of biology. AND it's (the concept) is the truth. It's when you get to college that that mechanistic stuff becomes more meaningful and yet they haven't updated. < If we don't know - and your post illustrates we don't whether evolution was gradualist or quick, Darwinian or Lamarckian, etc etc etc why they hell are we putting on an act as if we know more than we do? > First of all gradual or quick is lightyears away from "evolution" or not. Evolution clearly happens. Secondly, as to "pretending", if you study the subject there are all sorts of fights going on as to mechanisms of evolution, so I don't see "an act" put on by "the scientific community"... I see a health "brawl" using all the latest evidence. Sure, any course in a given year is "frozen in time", and since your average school buys science textbooks every 10 years, and replaces teachers less often things are obviously not up to date. But NOT teaching evolution (a major part of biology) would just be ignorant in my view. Even "intelligent design" thinks creatures "evolve"... so, no I don't see a problem with "evolution" in classroom UNTIL you get more advanced, then I think they miss the boat because they are not yet including the brawl. BTW, Any scientist worth his salt is happy to say, "fine, evolution is gods way of doing things". When it came to gods handing out of common sense and ability to see the truth, many creationists seem to have missed even the caboose of the gravy train of knowledge. DAK