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To: greenspirit who wrote (109217)	4/18/2009 10:56:59 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 540824

I considered posting a picture of one, I bet there isn't anyone here who hasn't seen the pictures, read the facts, and come to an informed and thoughtful conclusion about PBA. So you can skip that. But that wasn't what my post was about. It was about very small children being given signs to carry with pictures that are upsetting, graphic, and far beyond their level of understanding, and taught to scream "Babykiller" at adults about whom they know nothing. It's inappropriate parenting at best, though I personally think it's more harmful than that. Just because someone believes a cause is just, or a law wrong, doesn't justify suspending common sense about what and when you teach you children.

To: greenspirit who wrote (109217)	4/18/2009 1:19:50 PM
From: Suma	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 540824

I just saw a foreign film. It was in subtitles and cannot think of the name but believe it was 48 days,6 hours and so many minutes. It was on the abortion issue. This is how emotional this issue can be. At least for me. This is an essentially a summary of the story. A college girl gets pregnant. Although she had asked her partner to wear a condom . Evidently he had not. It was an unwanted pregnancy. Her roommate agrees to help her find a Dr. or someone who will give her an abortion( oh the film is made in Bulgaria where one can not only receive a death sentence for abortion but life imprisonment..and anyone involved in same gets sentenced ) and many girls die as the abortionists are not licensed etc. etc. The pregnant girl lies to both her roommate and to the Dr. about the length of her pregnancy. IT turns out later when the Dr. has been procured and a hotel room rented that she is six months pregnant. So here we are in the hotel room and the Dr. is about to leave as not only have they not sufficient funds but he is angry about the lie. So to pacify him the roommate offers up her body. And her roommate is furious but knows that something has to be done now to help her friend. At first my concern, as a woman who believes in a woman's right to choose were for the girl. For all the machinations she had to go through to find someone to perform the act. The amount of money she had to have by begging from friends to loan money to her. The abortion Dr. required an expensive hotel. He was patronizing and demeaning to both girls and got ugly when he found he had to been lied to. Boy I am experiencing anger now as why should women have to go through all this...? Blackmail with the amount of money and then having to give the Dr. sex when he in anger found out the girl was pregnant longer than she had told him on the phone. Then the roommate had to run out to her fiance's home for his mother's birthday and leaves her friend lying in bed with towels underneath her. She was pulled emotionally between wanting to stay with her friend,feeling guilty about the sex she had just had to keep the Dr. from leaving and angry at her friend for her deception to her. Then hassled and upset she gets to the party and her boyfriend is angry with her because she was late and has forgotten the flowers he had asked her to pick up. Poor girl. Finally the girl breaks away from the party and gets back to the room. Her friend had passed the baby. It was lying on the bathroom floor. It was an almost fully formed being and here is where my entire emotional state changed. Suddenly I was against having a life torn like this from a careless girl. Was it her fault of her sexual partners ? This was the juxtaposition of the situation. Ambiguity.. change of how does one believe in the woman's right to choose but hate to see discernibly formed baby lying on the floor. Where do I stand on this issue ? DAMN. So we can go round and round . It is still one up for questioning.. Isn't there a better way to handle a pregnancy firstly by sexual education... imo.. Then giving options ? Everyone on this board will have suggestions. As for me I don't have an answer. I a know that it is an issue worthy of discussion but it always elicits anger as those who feel one way rarely look at both sides of the issue. When one does it causes doubts. That is what it does for me. However I shall always believe in a woman's right to choose.