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To: LLCF who wrote (2511)	4/20/2009 1:21:38 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Well, I used one link already to support my claim about the conflict thesis being debunked and establishing that is was created and fostered by fraudulent histories from the 1800's by Draper and White. Here's another link with information (debunking many false ideas people hold) from historian James Hannam: Ten Things about Science and Religion « Thread Started on Jun 1, 2008, 6:40pm » ________________________________________ I've posted these ten elsewhere without the references. Any additions would be most welcome. 1) In the Middle Ages, Christian universities laid down the foundations of modern science and took the subject of rational logic to heights not reached until the nineteenth century. See: jameshannam.com 2) The Jesuits published over 6,000 scientific papers and texts between 1600 and 1773 including a third of those on electricity. They were by far the largest scientific organisation in the world. See: Richard Olson “Science and Religion 1450 – 1900” p. 69 3) Copernicus’s book, On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres, was never banned by the church. Instead, the pope’s censors compiled a short insert with ten corrections intended to make clear heliocentricism was an unproven hypothesis. At the time, this is what it was. See: MA Finocchiaro “Retrying Galileo” p. 20 for the corrections. 4) During the Middle Ages, hardly anyone thought the Earth was flat. The question never arose with Christopher Columbus. See: jameshannam.com 5) No one has ever been burnt at the stake for scientific ideas. The only great scientist to have been executed was the chemist Antione Lavoisier. ‘Freethinking’ anti-clerical French revolutionaries guillotined him in 1794. Bruno and Severtus not executed for scientific reasons. See: John Gribbin “Science: A History” p. 17 for Giordano Bruno; p. 27 for Michael Servetus and p. 284 for Lavoisier 6) Calvin never said “Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit. Alister McGrath “The Twilight of Atheism” p. 80 – 1. 7) Even by the standards of their time, Sir Isaac Newton, Johann Kepler and Michael Faraday were devoutly religious. During the Enlightenment, when scepticism about religion became acceptable, scientists almost always remained committed Christians. Gribbin, op. cit. provides pocket biographies for various scientists. 8) Christians did not try and destroy pagan Greek scientific ideas or burn down the great library of Alexandria. Instead, they laboriously hand copied millions of words of Greek science and medicine thus ensuring they were preserved. See: jameshannam.com 9) The church never tried to ban zero. Zero: bedejournal.blogspot.com 10) The Church never tried to ban human dissection. Vesalius was not punished by the inquisition. Leonardo ‘hindered’ by John the Mirror Maker denouncing him to the Pope and hospital. Dissection: I really, really need to write an article on this! See: Edward Grant “God and Nature” p. 113. Best wishes jameshannam.proboards.com James Hannam's website: jameshannam.com And his background: James Hannam I am a historian of science specialising in the relationship between science and Christianity in the Medieval and Early Modern eras. I took my Masters (2003) from Birkbeck College, University of London and have a PhD in the History and Philosophy of Science from Pembroke College, University of Cambridge (2008). My book God's Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science will be published by Icon in August 2009. My apologetics website is Bede's Library. bedejournal.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------- >>>I am a practicing Catholic >>>> I'm glad to hear that. >>>that is willing to understand and forgive the Church for it's past is the OPPOSITE of what you assert... that I have some sort of emotional attactment to attacking the Church. That is coming from YOUR mind, not mine. That is YOUR thinking.... your thought pattern... YOUR deduction. You don't even know me. So look at yourself and you'll see why you seem to need to find villians in your life... >>>> I'm sorry but a number of your posts have clearly reflected a deep bitterness toward your church. I don't have a need to come to that opinion as I have no "feelings" of my own on that church. I don't think it makes you a villain. Some of the results of it may make you wrong though on some issues and I've tried to address those things (see above). I'm not a Catholic myself and don't really understand the hostility I've seen in some people of Catholic background toward their church. I've seen it before in others. Its one of the things that would warn me off from getting involved with Catholicism. Its a puzzling matter for me.