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To: Sam who wrote (7378)	4/20/2009 7:28:43 PM
From: The Vet	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

Sigh again! You can list any number of correlated effects and events that global warming may have influenced, but none of these proves causation! There has been a global reduction in the burning of witches during recent times, and the global temperatures have increased and polar bear habitat has declined! I'm sure a nice clear graph showing the close correlation of all these can be produced. On your logic we can save the polar bears and the planet by a more enthusiastic program of witch burning, as the statistics show that the two are clearly linked. The one simple thing that the high priests of GW have never produced is actual evidence that atmospheric CO2 increases due to man's activities actually CAUSE global warming. It's is not "evidence" to show that both increase together. You can make as many false comparisons as you wish by assuming causation and neglecting correlation. I can easily show you that Toyotas are far less safe than all other brands on US roads, by graphing the number of accidents that Toyota autos have been involved in over the past 50 years. I'm sure it shows a dramatic increase from close to zero in the 50's to a significant percentage now. Of course that completely ignores the fact that there were virtually no Toyotas on US roads in the 50's and they are a predominate brand now. Come to think of it perhaps Toyota is the cause of global warming as well. I'm sure a computer model could be set up to show that as well!

To: Sam who wrote (7378)	4/20/2009 9:55:26 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

The reason the IPCC was set up back in the 80s was that CO2 levels were clearly going up, and the planet seemed to be warming Sigh my @ss!! Show me where the IPCC EVER considered that depleted phytoplankton levels MIGHT be causing elevated CO2 levels!! All they state is that rising CO2 might harm the oceans and acidify it. They don't acknowledge the fact that phytoplankton depletion MIGHT BE THE CAUSE. Believe me, with the plethora of phytoplankton types out there, I'm sure there are varieties that can exist in almost any kind of CO2 environment, given sufficient nutrients to grow. Look.. the paleo-climatic record shows that CO2 levels were MUCH HIGHER than today. Which means that SINCE THEN all of that CO2 has been sequestered by various means, either via floral absorption, or chemical interaction yielding carbonates and hydrocarbons. We also have STRONG evidence that the majority of hydrocarbon deposits derived from algal sediments. So it just stretches credulity when they don't recognize that phytoplankton depletion levels of up to 30% might not be the actual driver of elevated CO2 levels. Again.. when you're going to diagnose the patient, one should attempt to figure out what has happened that prevents the patient from warding off the infection. If CO2 is the "infection", then could it be because the planet's "immune" system has malfunctioned?? AND IT CERTAINLY HELPS TO REVIEW THE PATIENTS LONG TERM "MEDICAL HISTORY" WITH REGARD TO PREVIOUS INCIDENCES OF THE OBSERVED SYMPTOMS. And btw, the IPCC is hardly credible. It's admitted that many of it's models have been flawed, and there are THOUSANDS of experienced scientific minds who have contested it's findings. Hawk