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Politics : The Obama - Clinton Disaster -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PROLIFE who wrote (11819)	4/24/2009 7:48:16 AM
From: pompsander	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 103300

What a dumb ass troll you have become. It was and IS CLEAR that the water boarding HELPED save lives...now...listen carefully, so you might understand, boy. IF you had a friend murdered by a terrorist, and you were holding an important terrorist prisoner...are you telling me that you would not do enhanced interrogation to save your family, knowing that they are going to strike again?? Not one of the bastard interrogated were killed by the interrogation practices. Damn shame, IMO. that clear enough for your Democrap addled brains? Will you ANSWER the question or just say something stupid? ___________ How foolish you sound when you babble on trying to justify a policy that our own military leaders opposed...that has been shown to be ineffective in providing solid intelligence...that no one can claim provided anything substantive that might not have been achieved through other means. Apologize for your hero, George Bush, all you like.... Oh, and Pro.....people did die...it has been acknowledged that people died during custody... If the most recently revealed timelines prove out, it will show that the Bush Administration began the "harsh" techniques earlier than thought....and with the primary goal of forcing proof of something that NEVER happened: that Iraq was behind 9/11. So, your "friend analogy" above doens't quite work...cause the people being interrogated couldn't give the answers the interrrogators were told they must have. But eventually they probably said anything.... I know in your mind claimed "successes" justify any action taken, rules be damned. But the tide has turned. Keep watching. Keep reading. Oh, and your debate tactics continue to deteriorate. Try other than invective...like ideas, articles, opinions from experts. Maybe some history. People might pay more attention to you.

To: PROLIFE who wrote (11819)	4/24/2009 8:02:51 AM
From: pompsander	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 103300

Flashback: Bush’s FBI Director Said Torture Didn’t Foil Any Terror Plots Now that Bush administration officials have launched a major campaign to persuade us that torture “worked,” perhaps it’s worth recalling that George W. Bush’s own FBI director said in an interview last year that he wasn’t aware of a single planned terror attack on America that had been foiled by information obtained through torture. Robert Mueller, who was appointed by Bush in 2001 and remains FBI director under Obama, delivered that assessment at the end of this December 2008 article in Vanity Fair on torture: I ask Mueller: So far as he is aware, have any attacks on America been disrupted thanks to intelligence obtained through what the administration still calls “enhanced techniques”? “I’m really reluctant to answer that,” Mueller says. He pauses, looks at an aide, and then says quietly, declining to elaborate: “I don’t believe that has been the case.” That stands in direct contrast to Dick Cheney’s recent claim that torture has been “enormously valuable” in terms of “preventing another mass-casualty attack against the United States.” You’d think that this sort of thing would throw a bit of a wrench into the Bushies’ campaign. But as Charles Kaiser notes, these types of statements haven’t really broken through the media din. On that score, it’s worth asking why the White House and its allies aren’t pushing back a bit harder on the Bushies’ claims. Yes, this is a debate that the White House would like to avoid. But Cheney and other Bush administration officials have launched a major campaign here that shows no signs whatsoever of abating. Whatever downsides Cheney’s constant public appearances hold for the GOP, the Bushies seem to be having some success shifting the debate onto the narrow question of whether torture “worked.” Shouldn’t we be seeing more push-back from the White House or its outside allies? Update: Mueller is not backing off his views. theplumline.whorunsgov.com