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To: KyrosL who wrote (109733)4/24/2009 9:34:54 AM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541472
 
I think Krugman is out ahead of political developments on this one. I would prefer to see an open ended airing of all this material before the prospects of criminal prosecution is brought forward. We have much to learn about what was done, for what reasons, to which prisoners, under what sorts of conditions. And also who approved of the procedures, who knew about them, and so on.



To: KyrosL who wrote (109733)4/24/2009 9:43:40 AM
From: Mary Cluney  Respond to of 541472
 
<<<Why then does Krugman and others talk about "officials" to be prosecuted, rather than the two at whose desk the buck stopped? >>>

The ball is in the hands of the AG. There is a process.

I hope Holder has the fortitude needed to take this to a conclusion.

I don't want to prejudge the case, but I think "officials" have to be prosecuted.

I think Obama will have the popularity to do just about anything. He can and will make the case, if they are found guilty, to pardon the "officials" for the sake of healing the country.



To: KyrosL who wrote (109733)4/24/2009 10:30:05 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 541472
 
We didn't just try Tojo and Hitler (well, Hitler was dead). We went after the hierarchy. ess.uwe.ac.uk

In fact, mere camp guards still have problems 60 years later.

Suspected Nazi guard's health in question
Thursday, April 16, 2009

CLEVELAND, Ohio (KABC) -- Suspected Nazi guard John Demjanjuk won a minor victory Thursday, when a U.S. appeals court asked to see details of the 89-year-old's medical reports indicating he's healthy enough to travel to Germany.
He would face charges of serving as a Nazi death camp guard and being an accessory to the deaths of some 29,000 people during World War II.

abclocal.go.com

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Justice Department Seeks Removal of Pittsburgh-Area Man Who Served as Nazi Concentration Camp Guard

WASHINGTON, April 3 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Department of Justice has initiated removal proceedings against a Sharon, Penn., resident who served as an armed SS guard at two Nazi concentration camps in Germany during World War II.

The charging document, filed April 1, 2009, in U.S. Immigration Court in Philadelphia by the Criminal Division's Office of Special Investigations (OSI) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) alleges that during most of 1943 Anton Geiser served as an armed SS Death's Head guard at the Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp near Berlin, Germany; that Geiser's duties included escorting prisoners to slave labor sites and standing guard from the camp's watch towers; and that he was under orders to shoot any prisoner attempting escape. The court document also alleges that Geiser served as a guard at the Buchenwald Concentration Camp and the Arolsen subcamp. In addition, the court document charges that Geiser guarded prisoners as they were transported from Buchenwald to Arolsen and as they were evacuated from Arolsen as Allied forces approached.

news.prnewswire.com



To: KyrosL who wrote (109733)4/24/2009 1:42:27 PM
From: KonKilo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541472
 
Isn't it obvious to everybody that Bush and Cheney themselves either explicitly or implicitly approved of the torture...

And what of the "bad apples" who were tried and some sentenced?

Don't they deserve retrials?