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To: Sam who wrote (7519)4/24/2009 8:21:03 PM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 86356
 
Basically you seem to cite positive feedbacks when needed to make an argument. But when one needs to explain why the positive feedback process didn't continue once upon a time, well then you cite negative feedbacks which took charge.

You're defending the idea that CO2 released by volcanoes once killed 95% of species in some manner or other, presumably global warming. But the warming abated eventually due to negative feedbacks. For that to happen the negative feedback forces must h/b stronger than the positive feedback forces. Or the earth wouldn't have returned to a state allowing abundant life.

So why not assume negative feedback associated with increases of CO2 today? The alarmist models all have net positive feedback, you know. Thats why we're running out of time, only have 4 yrs per Hansen, before out of control global warming takes control.

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So which is it - are the feedbacks from increased CO2 positive on balance or negative on balance?

There are both positive and negative feedbacks.

But they have to on balance be one or the other. Don't get to pick which based on which assumption is needed for your explanation.

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Here's what I think makes sense. Negative feedbacks associated with CO2 increases must outweigh positive ones. Because we know from ice cores CO2 has gone up and down and has followed temperature changes not led them. Sounds like negative feedbacks are more powerful to me.



To: Sam who wrote (7519)4/24/2009 11:35:43 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Respond to of 86356
 
But it is the new factor that is driving the current change.

Actually, it's the lack of sunspot activity that is the NEW FACTOR you'll need to look at.

The NASA folks are pretty sure about this, given the slowing of the solar conveyor and previous experience during the Maunder Minimum.

Hawk